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Elon wields a powerful influence, a cult following. Fault is a fuzzy concept, not restricted to binary blame. Combine the poor taste of Elon fucking around with

Elon wields a powerful influence, a cult following. Fault is a fuzzy concept, not restricted to binary blame. Combine the poor taste of Elon fucking around with a monetary instrument, and his cult risking their life savings on his every word, and grave losses are the result. People commit suicide all the time because of large investment losses. Don't be too quick to doubt the monetary and biological loss in the US and abroad his statements likely caused. Your argument hinges on Elon not being the "hand that pulls the trigger." It's really irrelevant as everyone on HN is intelligent enough to understand that Elon is responsible for his reckless persuasions of a populace that is on average, stupid. Yes, the average person is... stupid. Especially ones who worship this man. Here is just a fraction of Elon's record: [1] Pedo Tweet: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk... [2] Hyperloop Scam: https://youtu.be/RNFesa01llk https://youtu.be/RNFesa01llk [3] Boring Tunnel Scam: https://youtu.be/HVS-YTUf7cM https://youtu.be/HVS-YTUf7cM [4] Autopilot Scam (11 confirmed deaths - should be called Enhanced Cruise Control instead): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27406384 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27406384 [5] Founder of PayPal, a platform that has been freezing and stealing user's funds since 1998: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27371787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27371787 [6] Not even the founder of Tesla. He was an investor (using his grifted Paypal money - how many frozen accounts did it take?): https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1131215_tesla-existed-before-elon-musk-founders-on-how-they-pitched-the-idea https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1131215_tesla-existed-b... [6] Anti-union: https://labortribune.com/tesla-found-guilty-of-union-busting/ https://labortribune.com/tesla-found-guilty-of-union-busting... [7] Does not care for wellbeing of employees: https://revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-safer-but-it-left-injuries-off-the-books/ https://revealnews.org/article/tesla-says-its-factory-is-saf... Elon is not Tony Stark or Iron Man. He is not a hero. He is not a villain. He is a highly intelligent man with many blind spots and a penchant for rash, poorly judged decisions. For an in-depth albeit slightly exaggerated look at Elon's faults, enjoy this muckraking journalism from Cody at Some More News: https://youtu.be/5pNL7MlUpmI https://youtu.be/5pNL7MlUpmI

nickik 5y ago
> Elon wields a powerful influence, a cult following. And a just as powerful influential anti-cult. You even used Thunderfood, the hero priest of Elon Haters as your source. Funny how a guy with no experience in public transport, rocketry, tunneling, AI is the universally source for all these technological facts that he knows better then everybody else. Who cares about NASA, former Astronauts, some of the best rocket scientists in modern history, space reporters who have reported on the space industry since 20+ years and various other people because when Thunderf00d makes a poorly edited anti-<anything evolving Musk> video its a universal truth that has to be upheld and spread threw-out the internet. > Yes, the average person is... stupid. Somebody that feels so superior and enlightened as you would certainty think so.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Thunderfoot is only two of the links and there are other similar, less sensationalized sources which show the same result, that Hyperloop and Boring Tunnel are both grifts. Regardless of whether you like Thunderfoot or not, his arguments about hyperloop are correct. Elon erased all signs of it from his web presence, and sold it off like a hot cake. The cities that paid for the boring tunnel express instead got a lame tiny tunnel Tesla death trap. Where is your substance of argument other than pedantry about Thunderfoot who sure, is sensationalist and dramatic, but says nothing wrong about Hyperloop nor the Boring Tunnel..

nickik 5y ago

> Elon wields a powerful influence, a cult following. And a just as powerful influential anti-cult. You even used Thunderfood, the hero priest of Elon Haters as your source. Funny how a guy with no experience in public transport, rocketry, tunneling, AI is the universally source for all these technological facts that he knows better then everybody else. Who cares about NASA, former Astronauts, some of the best rocket scientists in modern history, space reporters who have reported on the space industry since 20+ years and various other people because when Thunderf00d makes a poorly edited anti-<anything evolving Musk> video its a universal truth that has to be upheld and spread threw-out the internet. > Yes, the average person is... stupid. Somebody that feels so superior and enlightened as you would certainty think so.

goldenkey 5y ago
Thunderfoot is only two of the links and there are other similar, less sensationalized sources which show the same result, that Hyperloop and Boring Tunnel are both grifts. Regardless of whether you like Thunderfoot or not, his arguments about hyperloop are correct. Elon erased all signs of it from his web presence, and sold it off like a hot cake. The cities that paid for the boring tunnel express instead got a lame tiny tunnel Tesla death trap. Where is your substance of argument other than pedantry about Thunderfoot who sure, is sensationalist and dramatic, but says nothing wrong about Hyperloop nor the Boring Tunnel..