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I see. I find this to be a developer-focused view, though. Would users notice and care about any of those technologies? It's users, after all, that product name

I see. I find this to be a developer-focused view, though. Would users notice and care about any of those technologies? It's users, after all, that product names are targetet at, more than developers. And since Windows is known for its backwards compatibility, it's not like we're really talking about a breaking change, or is it?

hulitu 5y ago
Yes. Windows 10 version numbering is a mess. What features are in 1908 version, or in 21H04 ? It is more or less the old Service pack system with a more obscure naming. And if there is a windows version which deserves to die, this is Windows 10. Is ugly, unusable, unconfigurable (white background with white icon text, fonts too small or too large, etc ), slow and insecure by default.
- fomine3 5y ago
  I don't think it's messy. Year-Month based version scheme is most recognizable one. What's bad for Windows (or Microsoft) is that they think the version shouldn't duplicated to previous product (like Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 or Office 2010) so they changed to 20H2. Such duplication should be expected from the beginning.
pjmlp 5y ago
Of course it also affects users, they are the target audience for the applications and need have a system that fulfills the requirements. UWP evolution is like Android updates, APIs are tied to specific versions and backwards compatibility is a mess. Win 8 had three programming models for tablet, phone and desktop. Win 8.1 merged tablet and desktop and called it UAP. Windows 10 merged all of them together than called it UWP and the whole One Core message. Then some key C++ developers started an internal movement at WinDev against C++/CX, managed to deprecate it. But here is the thing, after 4 years it still doesn't offer anything like C++/CX tooling, forcing a Notepad like experience for IDL files. Screw paying customers. Meanwhile .NET Native is stuck into C# 7.3 with .NET Core 3.1, with no roadmap. WinUI 3 is only planned for desktop with no roadmap for HoloLens and XBox. So both developers and users need to come to an agreement what their computers should be running. For me, pressing the red button and coming into an alternative version of "Windows 8", aka Windows 11, is the only way to sort out the mess Sinosfky started.

hulitu 5y ago

Yes. Windows 10 version numbering is a mess. What features are in 1908 version, or in 21H04 ? It is more or less the old Service pack system with a more obscure naming. And if there is a windows version which deserves to die, this is Windows 10. Is ugly, unusable, unconfigurable (white background with white icon text, fonts too small or too large, etc ), slow and insecure by default.

fomine3 5y ago
I don't think it's messy. Year-Month based version scheme is most recognizable one. What's bad for Windows (or Microsoft) is that they think the version shouldn't duplicated to previous product (like Windows Embedded POSReady 2009 or Office 2010) so they changed to 20H2. Such duplication should be expected from the beginning.

pjmlp 5y ago

Of course it also affects users, they are the target audience for the applications and need have a system that fulfills the requirements. UWP evolution is like Android updates, APIs are tied to specific versions and backwards compatibility is a mess. Win 8 had three programming models for tablet, phone and desktop. Win 8.1 merged tablet and desktop and called it UAP. Windows 10 merged all of them together than called it UWP and the whole One Core message. Then some key C++ developers started an internal movement at WinDev against C++/CX, managed to deprecate it. But here is the thing, after 4 years it still doesn't offer anything like C++/CX tooling, forcing a Notepad like experience for IDL files. Screw paying customers. Meanwhile .NET Native is stuck into C# 7.3 with .NET Core 3.1, with no roadmap. WinUI 3 is only planned for desktop with no roadmap for HoloLens and XBox. So both developers and users need to come to an agreement what their computers should be running. For me, pressing the red button and coming into an alternative version of "Windows 8", aka Windows 11, is the only way to sort out the mess Sinosfky started.