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This is interesting, but how well does the vaccine actually protect against it? Having five times fewer antibodies than for the main variant doesn't mean much i

This is interesting, but how well does the vaccine actually protect against it? Having five times fewer antibodies than for the main variant doesn't mean much if you have twenty times more antibodies for the main variant than you need.

sharken 5y ago
That seems to be the key question here, so hopefully someone with more insight can answer that. The Delta name for the Indian variant is from the new Greek letter naming scheme. Four out of 24 letters are in use so far: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57308592 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57308592 UPDATE: A total of 10 letters are now in use according to WHO https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/ https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-varian...
- zpeti 5y ago
  It’s so great when natural language usage/evolution is overwritten by bureaucrats, for god knows what reason. Wonderful.
  - bttrfl 5y ago
    The decision might seem strange, but I think the rationale behind it is sound: "Covid-19 variants to be given Greek alphabet names to avoid stigma" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/01/covid-19-variants-to-be-given-greek-alphabet-names-to-avoid-stigma https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/01/covid-19-varia...
    - carlmr 5y ago
      Now the Greeks get all the stigma.
      - StavrosK 5y ago
        Nah we're good with it.
  - evgen 5y ago
    Were you not aware that the Indian government threatened social media platforms that allowed users to identify a variant as the 'Indian variant'?
  - aaaaarghZombies 5y ago
    Apart from the stigma it was causing Indian people it was making a lot of people think it was a problem confined to India.
- Havoc 5y ago
  We're gonna need a bigger alphabet
  - officialjunk 5y ago
    it's base 24. after going from single character alpha to omega, then you introduce the second character: alpha alpha, alpha beta, ...
    - alok-g 5y ago
      Use of decimal numbers sounds better all of a sudden for naming the virus variants. :-)
      - officialjunk 5y ago
        seems the decimals are already currently being used for virus strains: sars-cov1, sars-cov-2... for variants it could be minor versions such as sars-cov-2.4 but then there may be confusion about them being related sequentially and that one is an "improvement" over the other. :)
        alok-g 5y ago
        That's just differentiating nominal numbers from others [1]. The same is much too common everywhere -- zipcodes, student ID number, etc. I am still missing reason why the suggested base 24 is better. :-) [1] https://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/cardinal-ordinal-nominal.html https://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/cardinal-ordinal-nominal....
        officialjunk 5y ago
        i'm mostly joking. it's not better, at least not to me.
        alok-g 5y ago
        The said joking is/was good with me. :-)
loceng 5y ago
I feel these two videos will help inform you, both interviews with evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein with different doctors/researchers: https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k The first video explains how/why the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (new type of vaccine method) bypasses parts of the body's innate response that normally would create a spread /variation of spike proteins/charges to basically preemptively prevent and ready itself to more quickly attack minor variations that will occur - e.g. unnecessarily, inefficiently over committing to the COVID-19 variant while losing out strength/capacity to handle variants. Second video goes into detail as to Ivermectin, where a very credible doctor practicing on the front lines of COVID, stating that Ivermectin is 100% effective of abolishing COVID-19 and all variants with the correct dosing/proper protocol. They also discuss how difficult it's been to get this practical knowledge out there and more. Ivermectin has had 4 billion+ doses already used globally and sounds like it is completely safe - used primarily to kill parasites by adequately interrupting their replication/folding ability (from my current understanding).
- StavrosK 5y ago
  Thanks, but I think we're saying the same thing: I seem to recall research that indicated that you still get sufficient immunity against variants even though you have fewer antibodies, just because the vaccine gives you way more antibodies than you need.
  - loceng 5y ago
    Well, defining sufficient may be important, likewise sufficient so long as there aren't more variants that are successfully generated and escape - though those odds reduce as numbers go down. And in comparison it sounds like Ivermectin is the reasonable non-politicized option which instead of just being sufficient, it abolishes.
- phonypc 5y ago
  Because I think having those two videos linked without the context of opposing views will potentially mislead some people, here's some push-back on the first topic/person: https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vanden-bossches-claims https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vand... https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/ And the second: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n747 https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n747 https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678 https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111... I've really enjoyed Bret's podcast for the most part, so I was really disappointed after looking further into these subjects and finding that he seemingly isn't approaching them in good faith.

sharken 5y ago

That seems to be the key question here, so hopefully someone with more insight can answer that. The Delta name for the Indian variant is from the new Greek letter naming scheme. Four out of 24 letters are in use so far: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57308592 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-57308592 UPDATE: A total of 10 letters are now in use according to WHO https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/ https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-varian...

zpeti 5y ago
It’s so great when natural language usage/evolution is overwritten by bureaucrats, for god knows what reason. Wonderful.
- bttrfl 5y ago
  The decision might seem strange, but I think the rationale behind it is sound: "Covid-19 variants to be given Greek alphabet names to avoid stigma" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/01/covid-19-variants-to-be-given-greek-alphabet-names-to-avoid-stigma https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/01/covid-19-varia...
  - carlmr 5y ago
    Now the Greeks get all the stigma.
    - StavrosK 5y ago
      Nah we're good with it.
- evgen 5y ago
  Were you not aware that the Indian government threatened social media platforms that allowed users to identify a variant as the 'Indian variant'?
- aaaaarghZombies 5y ago
  Apart from the stigma it was causing Indian people it was making a lot of people think it was a problem confined to India.
Havoc 5y ago
We're gonna need a bigger alphabet
- officialjunk 5y ago
  it's base 24. after going from single character alpha to omega, then you introduce the second character: alpha alpha, alpha beta, ...
  - alok-g 5y ago
    Use of decimal numbers sounds better all of a sudden for naming the virus variants. :-)
    - officialjunk 5y ago
      seems the decimals are already currently being used for virus strains: sars-cov1, sars-cov-2... for variants it could be minor versions such as sars-cov-2.4 but then there may be confusion about them being related sequentially and that one is an "improvement" over the other. :)
      - alok-g 5y ago
        That's just differentiating nominal numbers from others [1]. The same is much too common everywhere -- zipcodes, student ID number, etc. I am still missing reason why the suggested base 24 is better. :-) [1] https://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/cardinal-ordinal-nominal.html https://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/cardinal-ordinal-nominal....
        officialjunk 5y ago
        i'm mostly joking. it's not better, at least not to me.
        alok-g 5y ago
        The said joking is/was good with me. :-)

loceng 5y ago

I feel these two videos will help inform you, both interviews with evolutionary biologist Bret Weinstein with different doctors/researchers: https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro https://youtu.be/BNyAovuUxro https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k https://youtu.be/Tn_b4NRTB6k The first video explains how/why the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine (new type of vaccine method) bypasses parts of the body's innate response that normally would create a spread /variation of spike proteins/charges to basically preemptively prevent and ready itself to more quickly attack minor variations that will occur - e.g. unnecessarily, inefficiently over committing to the COVID-19 variant while losing out strength/capacity to handle variants. Second video goes into detail as to Ivermectin, where a very credible doctor practicing on the front lines of COVID, stating that Ivermectin is 100% effective of abolishing COVID-19 and all variants with the correct dosing/proper protocol. They also discuss how difficult it's been to get this practical knowledge out there and more. Ivermectin has had 4 billion+ doses already used globally and sounds like it is completely safe - used primarily to kill parasites by adequately interrupting their replication/folding ability (from my current understanding).

StavrosK 5y ago
Thanks, but I think we're saying the same thing: I seem to recall research that indicated that you still get sufficient immunity against variants even though you have fewer antibodies, just because the vaccine gives you way more antibodies than you need.
- loceng 5y ago
  Well, defining sufficient may be important, likewise sufficient so long as there aren't more variants that are successfully generated and escape - though those odds reduce as numbers go down. And in comparison it sounds like Ivermectin is the reasonable non-politicized option which instead of just being sufficient, it abolishes.
phonypc 5y ago
Because I think having those two videos linked without the context of opposing views will potentially mislead some people, here's some push-back on the first topic/person: https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vanden-bossches-claims https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vand... https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/ And the second: https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n747 https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n747 https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111678 https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/26/bmjebm-2021-111... I've really enjoyed Bret's podcast for the most part, so I was really disappointed after looking further into these subjects and finding that he seemingly isn't approaching them in good faith.