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Ten is unpleasant to interact with; constantly nagging you about edge or update or false security threats. Edge does nothing special, updates are arduous, false

by deusum 5y ago

Ten is unpleasant to interact with; constantly nagging you about edge or update or false security threats. Edge does nothing special, updates are arduous, false security threats don't necessarily comfort one regarding real dangerous threats. We keep it paused (or off) in VirtualBox for one small piece of proprietary vendor software. Really enjoying these guys: https://www.devuan.org/ https://www.devuan.org/

watermelon0 5y ago
Sure, Edge notifications are annoying, and it would be better if they wouldn't push Edge so hard. Regarding the updates, I don't consider it more annoying than the macOS equivalent, and it's understandable that MS wants to push users to upgrade, to ensure they have the latest security updates. I have not seen security threats alerts with Windows Defender enabled, and without downloading suspicious (i.e. unknown/unsigned) executables, which also seems reasonable. Actually, it's less painful to run unsigned executable on Windows, than on macOS.
- hulitu 5y ago
  > Sure, Edge notifications are annoying, and it would be better if they wouldn't push Edge so hard. If would be better if they had a setting to turn them off. All of them. But this mess is comming from mobile where every developer thinks his program (app ) is the most important. > Regarding the updates, I don't consider it more annoying than the macOS equivalent, and it's understandable that MS wants to push users to upgrade, to ensure they have the latest security updates. The problem is that they do not separate features and security updates. And also they don't test them enough, and this, combined with forced updates, breaks things. > I have not seen security threats alerts with Windows Defender enabled, and without downloading suspicious (i.e. unknown/unsigned) executables, which also seems reasonable. Actually, it's less painful to run unsigned executable on Windows, than on macOS. Antivirus programs have long stopped being useful. And, as also google has shown, you can have signed malware executables. Also there are a lot of programs which, technically not malware, will behave like malware and defender and others do nothing about it.
  - vitorgrs 5y ago
    Yes, they do. It's been 2 years that feature updates are optional, and you can continue to get just cumulative updates. https://www.wintips.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/image_thumb-105.png https://www.wintips.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/image_thu...
- leucineleprec0n 5y ago
  > Actually, it's less painful to run unsigned executable on Windows, than on macOS. Indeed. I just want MS to merge the control panel & $ettings in a fluent UI, for the love of god. do that and update a few UI formats away from the half-assed reimplementation of W7 & 8(which it is) and frankly Windows is in a great position at that rate.
- swiley 5y ago
  Windows update wouldn't be annoying if it worked in the background like on most Linux distros. Instead Microsoft just decides your computer will be unavailable for an hour or so. It's particularly upsetting considering that much of the complexity in NT comes from having a micro kernel which is supposed to make that kind of thing easier.

by deusum 5y ago

watermelon0 5y ago

Sure, Edge notifications are annoying, and it would be better if they wouldn't push Edge so hard. Regarding the updates, I don't consider it more annoying than the macOS equivalent, and it's understandable that MS wants to push users to upgrade, to ensure they have the latest security updates. I have not seen security threats alerts with Windows Defender enabled, and without downloading suspicious (i.e. unknown/unsigned) executables, which also seems reasonable. Actually, it's less painful to run unsigned executable on Windows, than on macOS.

hulitu 5y ago
> Sure, Edge notifications are annoying, and it would be better if they wouldn't push Edge so hard. If would be better if they had a setting to turn them off. All of them. But this mess is comming from mobile where every developer thinks his program (app ) is the most important. > Regarding the updates, I don't consider it more annoying than the macOS equivalent, and it's understandable that MS wants to push users to upgrade, to ensure they have the latest security updates. The problem is that they do not separate features and security updates. And also they don't test them enough, and this, combined with forced updates, breaks things. > I have not seen security threats alerts with Windows Defender enabled, and without downloading suspicious (i.e. unknown/unsigned) executables, which also seems reasonable. Actually, it's less painful to run unsigned executable on Windows, than on macOS. Antivirus programs have long stopped being useful. And, as also google has shown, you can have signed malware executables. Also there are a lot of programs which, technically not malware, will behave like malware and defender and others do nothing about it.
- vitorgrs 5y ago
  Yes, they do. It's been 2 years that feature updates are optional, and you can continue to get just cumulative updates. https://www.wintips.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/image_thumb-105.png https://www.wintips.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/image_thu...
leucineleprec0n 5y ago
> Actually, it's less painful to run unsigned executable on Windows, than on macOS. Indeed. I just want MS to merge the control panel & $ettings in a fluent UI, for the love of god. do that and update a few UI formats away from the half-assed reimplementation of W7 & 8(which it is) and frankly Windows is in a great position at that rate.
swiley 5y ago
Windows update wouldn't be annoying if it worked in the background like on most Linux distros. Instead Microsoft just decides your computer will be unavailable for an hour or so. It's particularly upsetting considering that much of the complexity in NT comes from having a micro kernel which is supposed to make that kind of thing easier.