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Simply don't join the meetings. For this not to fire back, it's also simple: inform the organiser in advance that you won't join, that s/he should let you know

by hirako2000 5y ago

Simply don't join the meetings. For this not to fire back, it's also simple: inform the organiser in advance that you won't join, that s/he should let you know if your presense is absolutely necessary for input, and to email the outcome if relevant to your work. After a while, you can stop informing them as they've gotten used to your absence and realised you aren't needed. Whoever remains in these meetings tend to feel even better selling each others thin air without practical participants making negative comments during those discussions. It worked for me. Of course beware there could be retaliation on principle. If that's the case you better update your CV and start seeking another remote position anyway.

missedthecue 5y ago
This sounds like a really good way to make sure you get the smallest raises and the least promotions. You'll never be seen or heard!
- hirako2000 5y ago
  My view is that raises and promotions don't tie to whether someone is heared or not. If one criteria matters, it's negociating skills. After that probably comes competence. Not joining meetings should provide you with as much time saved to focus on actual work. Growing competence, and lead to higher/better throuput. I've seen a number of people playing the "let's be heard/noisy" card. It often works for a while but not in the long term. Time spent at "work" can be spent with a short sighted objective, or a long one. Even if I made a mistake of interpretation and attending meetings can result in better outcomes, I would still favor mental health and maximising time spent to improving my competence, over fears to loose my job or not getting a promotion raises from the current employer.
  - missedthecue 5y ago
    In my experience, it's not necessarily the person who does the most work that gets promoted, but the person who gets the most recognition. Sitting at home never seeing, hearing, speaking, or interacting with people save for brief slack messages just doesn't seem like the best way to get recognition.
- spacedcowboy 5y ago
  This, right here, is what is wrong with meeting culture.
  - missedthecue 5y ago
    It would be nice if it wasn't this way, but unilaterally excluding yourself from this meeting culture only hurts you.

missedthecue 5y ago

This sounds like a really good way to make sure you get the smallest raises and the least promotions. You'll never be seen or heard!

hirako2000 5y ago
My view is that raises and promotions don't tie to whether someone is heared or not. If one criteria matters, it's negociating skills. After that probably comes competence. Not joining meetings should provide you with as much time saved to focus on actual work. Growing competence, and lead to higher/better throuput. I've seen a number of people playing the "let's be heard/noisy" card. It often works for a while but not in the long term. Time spent at "work" can be spent with a short sighted objective, or a long one. Even if I made a mistake of interpretation and attending meetings can result in better outcomes, I would still favor mental health and maximising time spent to improving my competence, over fears to loose my job or not getting a promotion raises from the current employer.
- missedthecue 5y ago
  In my experience, it's not necessarily the person who does the most work that gets promoted, but the person who gets the most recognition. Sitting at home never seeing, hearing, speaking, or interacting with people save for brief slack messages just doesn't seem like the best way to get recognition.
spacedcowboy 5y ago
This, right here, is what is wrong with meeting culture.
- missedthecue 5y ago
  It would be nice if it wasn't this way, but unilaterally excluding yourself from this meeting culture only hurts you.