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The sole arbiter? This man can post on a million different websites. He can go on TV or the radio. He can place an ad in a newspaper. He can hold public meeting

The sole arbiter? This man can post on a million different websites. He can go on TV or the radio. He can place an ad in a newspaper. He can hold public meetings. He can stand on the corner handing out pamphlets. Twitter is not, in any sense of the word, the sole arbiter of acceptable speech. Nor are they even remotely trying to be.

mc32 5y ago
Spain (nor any other country) doesn't have a say on what's allowed on the platform when it comes to its own citizens. That's supranational control. To use a throwback phrase form the old guard, it's "Imperialistic". What if WeChat, if TikTok, etc., etc., went all out with CCP propaganda and undermined Biden on all things China with regard to their US users? What if they decided they wanted to back a friendly candidate and have anti Biden propaganda? Are we cool with that? Or are they only cool when they carry water for you? Let's suppose Mark Z decided he wanted to forgo US citizenship and went out and got Russian citizenship and then decided it was okay for FB to carry his new message? Cool? Oh, oh, do I hear calls of "interference"?
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  > Spain (nor any other country) doesn't have a say on what's allowed on the platform when it comes to its own citizens. Except, they absolutely do? If Twitter wants to do business in Spain, it has to obey Spanish law. If it wants to succeed in the Spanish market, it has to appeal to Spanish consumers. Your hypothetical scenarios are all based on a misunderstanding of my position here. It's absolutely the US's prerogative to take action against foreign companies that disseminate agitprop. Likewise, if Spain wants to step in and stop Twitter here, they can (and should!) do so. That said, I think you're skipping the crucial middle step here where the citizens actually object to what Twitter is doing. Obviously, you think this is "propaganda" and "dictating the rules", but I don't see any indication that most people in Spain feel the same way. Where is the outrage from anyone other than a far-right political party that got ~15% of the votes in a historically low turnout election?
  - MikeUt 5y ago
    How convenient. Media mostly ignore an event. When there is predictably not much outrage among people that are largely unaware of it, claim this is evidence they think it's OK.
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mc32 5y ago

Spain (nor any other country) doesn't have a say on what's allowed on the platform when it comes to its own citizens. That's supranational control. To use a throwback phrase form the old guard, it's "Imperialistic". What if WeChat, if TikTok, etc., etc., went all out with CCP propaganda and undermined Biden on all things China with regard to their US users? What if they decided they wanted to back a friendly candidate and have anti Biden propaganda? Are we cool with that? Or are they only cool when they carry water for you? Let's suppose Mark Z decided he wanted to forgo US citizenship and went out and got Russian citizenship and then decided it was okay for FB to carry his new message? Cool? Oh, oh, do I hear calls of "interference"?

jakelazaroff 5y ago
> Spain (nor any other country) doesn't have a say on what's allowed on the platform when it comes to its own citizens. Except, they absolutely do? If Twitter wants to do business in Spain, it has to obey Spanish law. If it wants to succeed in the Spanish market, it has to appeal to Spanish consumers. Your hypothetical scenarios are all based on a misunderstanding of my position here. It's absolutely the US's prerogative to take action against foreign companies that disseminate agitprop. Likewise, if Spain wants to step in and stop Twitter here, they can (and should!) do so. That said, I think you're skipping the crucial middle step here where the citizens actually object to what Twitter is doing. Obviously, you think this is "propaganda" and "dictating the rules", but I don't see any indication that most people in Spain feel the same way. Where is the outrage from anyone other than a far-right political party that got ~15% of the votes in a historically low turnout election?
- MikeUt 5y ago
  How convenient. Media mostly ignore an event. When there is predictably not much outrage among people that are largely unaware of it, claim this is evidence they think it's OK.
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