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Most are probably contractors and H1B's who have the fear of job loss hovering over their heads. Apple is Tim Cooks life and legacy, he has nothing else but tha

Most are probably contractors and H1B's who have the fear of job loss hovering over their heads. Apple is Tim Cooks life and legacy, he has nothing else but that company and like all crazy fucking people in those positions probably believes it should hold the same importance to every last employee. I can understand if your twenty something full of piss and vinegar and think your going to change the world, but you have to be nuts or desperate (H1B's/Contractors excused) to give your life to a job once you have a family.

jonny_eh 5y ago
I’m mid-career living in the Bay Area and am eagerly looking forward to returning to the office ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- peter422 5y ago
  Yes I don’t understand how ‘going into the office’ means ‘giving your life to the company’. Frankly I find it easier to separate work and home when there is an office.
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- spacedcowboy 5y ago
  I’m not. I loathe the open office at Apple Park, I dislike the commute, and I have a nice air-conditioned, insulated shed at the bottom of the garden which is great as a home office. There is nothing I need in Apple Park to do my job, and all I get from my director is how pleased he is with how I’m working (“we couldn’t have done this without you”). Tomorrow, what I’ve been working on for the last 6 months or so will be in the keynote, and it’s awesome :) This is the 4th time I’ve had something in the keynote in my career, and this time it’s kind of disappointing (but totally understandable) that I won’t get to stand up with my team and take a “bow”. There’s one more, multi-year project that’s going to blow people away that I wrote the OS for, but that’s not ready yet. I’m not returning to the office in September, I’m going to leave the company instead, after over a decade of service. I suspect I’m the kind of senior engineer employee Apple would prefer to keep, but the thought of not going back to AP is too enticing to pass up.
  - jonny_eh 5y ago
    > I’m going to leave the company instead, after over a decade of service What changed? The number of remote opportunities?
    - spacedcowboy 5y ago
      Yep, that and the sudden WFH made me realise just how boiled a frog I was. Every little step, small in itself, that I'd compromised over the years had led me to a place I don't want to be. I work to live, not the other way around, and slowly but surely I'd been coerced into living to work. Sometimes the best way to fix something is a complete break. I think this is one of those times.
  - mensetmanusman 5y ago
    Just watched the Keynote, congrats on getting something out to the world :)
    - spacedcowboy 5y ago
      Thank you, kind internet stranger :)
jimmyed 5y ago
> Tim has nothing else than that company Yeah, he just has a 2T company, poor soul. What makes you think H1B folks don't want to go to offices?
- perl4ever 5y ago
  >Yeah, he just has a 2T company, poor soul. I don't think the comment you responded to was trying to communicate sympathy for him, but contrasting the sense of identification with his company that higher-ups tend to have, versus the rank and file. And emphasizing the normality of the latter. Also, Cook doesn't own the company or even close.

jonny_eh 5y ago

I’m mid-career living in the Bay Area and am eagerly looking forward to returning to the office ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

peter422 5y ago
Yes I don’t understand how ‘going into the office’ means ‘giving your life to the company’. Frankly I find it easier to separate work and home when there is an office.
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spacedcowboy 5y ago
I’m not. I loathe the open office at Apple Park, I dislike the commute, and I have a nice air-conditioned, insulated shed at the bottom of the garden which is great as a home office. There is nothing I need in Apple Park to do my job, and all I get from my director is how pleased he is with how I’m working (“we couldn’t have done this without you”). Tomorrow, what I’ve been working on for the last 6 months or so will be in the keynote, and it’s awesome :) This is the 4th time I’ve had something in the keynote in my career, and this time it’s kind of disappointing (but totally understandable) that I won’t get to stand up with my team and take a “bow”. There’s one more, multi-year project that’s going to blow people away that I wrote the OS for, but that’s not ready yet. I’m not returning to the office in September, I’m going to leave the company instead, after over a decade of service. I suspect I’m the kind of senior engineer employee Apple would prefer to keep, but the thought of not going back to AP is too enticing to pass up.
- jonny_eh 5y ago
  > I’m going to leave the company instead, after over a decade of service What changed? The number of remote opportunities?
  - spacedcowboy 5y ago
    Yep, that and the sudden WFH made me realise just how boiled a frog I was. Every little step, small in itself, that I'd compromised over the years had led me to a place I don't want to be. I work to live, not the other way around, and slowly but surely I'd been coerced into living to work. Sometimes the best way to fix something is a complete break. I think this is one of those times.
- mensetmanusman 5y ago
  Just watched the Keynote, congrats on getting something out to the world :)
  - spacedcowboy 5y ago
    Thank you, kind internet stranger :)

jimmyed 5y ago

> Tim has nothing else than that company Yeah, he just has a 2T company, poor soul. What makes you think H1B folks don't want to go to offices?

perl4ever 5y ago
>Yeah, he just has a 2T company, poor soul. I don't think the comment you responded to was trying to communicate sympathy for him, but contrasting the sense of identification with his company that higher-ups tend to have, versus the rank and file. And emphasizing the normality of the latter. Also, Cook doesn't own the company or even close.