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I think the problem is the vast majority of web developers don't care. It's true. Sure, having nice connection helps. In the sense that having a meal helps you

by oblak 5y ago

I think the problem is the vast majority of web developers don't care. It's true. Sure, having nice connection helps. In the sense that having a meal helps you forget about world hunger... if you cared about it in the first place. Sans multimedia consumption, the modern web is fine on a reasonable connection provided you're using noscript or something like that. If you're not, then well, you're already screwed either way. What's crazy to me is not that regular users put up with a ton of bullshit - they have to. It's that lots of fellow developers do and they most certainly don't have to. They simply don't care.

mgarciaisaia 5y ago
I guess most of the times it's not about a a dev not caring about the issue - it's about not being paid to address this scenarios. The default for most of the tools/frameworks is to generate this bloat without a nice fallback for slow connections. Because the industry is focused on people with good connections, because that's where the money is. Whenever I develop a webapp whose users won't be having a good Internet connection, there's a requirement to support that use case, and I spend time making sure the thing is usable on bad connections, and it's OK to sacrifice some UX to get there. But on most cases, customers (both end-users and companies that pay me to code something for them) prefer shiny & cheap rather than "works OK for faceless people I don't know they still live like I did 15 years ago". TL;DR: it's an economics issue, as usual. ---- PD: I've spent five hours yesterday to avoid a 70% packet loss to the router in the place I've recently moved to. There's a (top) 6Mbps connection on the other side of the router. I'm suffering not being on a top-class connection - but that's _my_ issue, not my customer's, nor my customer's customers.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
> What's crazy to me is not that regular users put up with a ton of bullshit - they have to Honestly, the number of people working in tech, not using an adblock (and not even knowing that things like this exist) is making me sad.
- mssundaram 5y ago
  I think the same thing whenever I pair with my colleagues
jart 5y ago
> What's crazy to me is not that regular users put up with a ton of bullshit The cynic would view society is an optimization problem between bullshitters and those willing to tolerate bullshit. I say introduce a little anarchy into the equation, using the clean and pristine.

by oblak 5y ago

mgarciaisaia 5y ago

I guess most of the times it's not about a a dev not caring about the issue - it's about not being paid to address this scenarios. The default for most of the tools/frameworks is to generate this bloat without a nice fallback for slow connections. Because the industry is focused on people with good connections, because that's where the money is. Whenever I develop a webapp whose users won't be having a good Internet connection, there's a requirement to support that use case, and I spend time making sure the thing is usable on bad connections, and it's OK to sacrifice some UX to get there. But on most cases, customers (both end-users and companies that pay me to code something for them) prefer shiny & cheap rather than "works OK for faceless people I don't know they still live like I did 15 years ago". TL;DR: it's an economics issue, as usual. ---- PD: I've spent five hours yesterday to avoid a 70% packet loss to the router in the place I've recently moved to. There's a (top) 6Mbps connection on the other side of the router. I'm suffering not being on a top-class connection - but that's _my_ issue, not my customer's, nor my customer's customers.

ajsnigrutin 5y ago

> What's crazy to me is not that regular users put up with a ton of bullshit - they have to Honestly, the number of people working in tech, not using an adblock (and not even knowing that things like this exist) is making me sad.

mssundaram 5y ago
I think the same thing whenever I pair with my colleagues

jart 5y ago

> What's crazy to me is not that regular users put up with a ton of bullshit The cynic would view society is an optimization problem between bullshitters and those willing to tolerate bullshit. I say introduce a little anarchy into the equation, using the clean and pristine.