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Assuming you mean some repub states making so you have to show an ID, signatures need to be verified for mail ins.. limiting early votes from months to weeks or

Assuming you mean some repub states making so you have to show an ID, signatures need to be verified for mail ins.. limiting early votes from months to weeks or days.. Not sure what is 'more complex'? Consider the opposite... everyone in State G gets sent a check for 2,000 - you could not require ID or signature to cash it.. that might not affect people at all - but it might get some to try to take and cash other folks check. Sometimes it helps me to consider reverse things to see if they still make sense. Admittedly I have not read every line of every bill to know if there are more complexity add-in issues being passed.. but I've tried to hear and consider the talking points from several different news portals.. some types of portals get very specific about things and compare them - other party's news portals just talk very broadly about how things are so much harder. let's throw a wrench in both party's plans - if you don't want to show an ID when you vote, or have your signature verified - then you don't have to if you did not cash your payoff check.

toast0 5y ago
Have you considered the difficulty of obtaining an ID if you don't have one? That is very complex, and out of reach for some.
- hokumguru 5y ago
  Fun fact that somewhat swayed my opinion recently, we are essentially the only first world country that doesn’t require ID of some kind to vote.
  - morsch 5y ago
    In Germany, you're required to submit your address of residence to a municipal office. When there's an election, you'll get a notification sent to this address. At your assigned polling station (which, at least for city dwellers, is usually within walking distance), you can just show the notification, no ID required. Or, if you forgot the notification card, you can show your ID, that works, too.
- stevenicr 5y ago
  yes - I have helped a half dozen people get ID the past couple years. Unfortunately you need one to cash checks and do all sorts of important things - and it's a good way to prevent fraud / theft / underage activities, etc. The good thing is that I've been seeing digital kisoks popping up at more locations that can handle this sort og thing, and take some of wait times away from the main dmv places. Not long ago my city also opened up all county clerk desks and some other places to help people get the 'real ID' stuff together and submitted. So there is progress in making it easier / better / cheaper. That being said - if you are from one state to another and license was expired and you have to get special papers to show a divorce and name change - le suck! If you have roommates and don't have utility bills in your name for Real Id - what a stupid setup the feds came up with no-fly plane with real proof you are Real.. I expect more people to come up with more ways to make these things better. I expect to see more places like GA offer ID for free for voting, only $5 for indigent people. It can be complex in weird situations, but I believe for most people it's just not as much fun as playing a playstation. I have seen it out of reach for a 70 year old divorcee' - but we all finally found a way to get the docs needed from another state and it all came together finally - most people would not have the same kind of problem however, I'd guess 99.5%
whateveracct 5y ago
This is a well-trodden topic. Maybe you should ask questions instead of spout answers :thonk:
Larrikin 5y ago
Are you willing to have your taxes raised to guarantee everyone in your state gets a state ID including workers similar to census workers that go around helping people with less than stellar English, missing documents, or with out access to the internet. Are you willing to have your taxes raised to fund government buildings that have reasonable hours similar to a retail store so that all people have access? Would you be willing to have your taxes raised to fund a national ID or give passports to everyone at birth or upon becoming a citizen with a technological infrastructure that would make it simple to replace. In my experience when it comes to dealing with any kind of government services, the hours are meant to punish and discourage people from coming. When I needed to actually do something in person at the social security office they had ridiculous hours like closing at 3 or 4 and if you're lucky would open an hour or two before regular working hours, which would have masses of people in line if you weren't there an hour before. They exist to punish those who don't even want to be there but need to be. ID requirements without the infrastructure is just a good way to make sure that certain people can't vote. The laws never come with any way of making it easier to get an ID
- stevenicr 5y ago
  -"willing to have your taxes raised to guarantee everyone in your state gets a state ID" -- yes, and the amount would not be much at all. I would also redirect all county and state tickets money to double the hours these places are open - and it may not raise taxes at all - in fact calculate the taxes lost as 1500 people per day need to take a day off work - it'll be a reverse wash. the state should provide these docs free of charge no matter how they are paid for. "o fund government buildings" this is changing - we now have digital kiosks in police stations and other places that can do most of the dmv work - many services no human required, some video conference.. no new building needed. Heck lyft can run a million dollar company out of the corner of a pep boys - surely there are more ways to provide more servicing without more buildings. "when it comes to dealing with any kind of government services, the hours are meant to punish and discourage people from coming." - this is something we the people can demand change and actually make it happen. Of course to save from blowing out state budgets we need to rehash how pensions and 401's with state workers are handled - if they continue to shake down the system like the post office, then the slow service is mainly to pad lifetime retirement gov cheese - regardless. "the social security office" here in my city last two visits has been very efficient - not sure the hours - but they can be run well - and hours could be extended easily if we further pursue the kind of video tech in ATM machines and similar. We can demand more infrastructure for id requirements - especially easy if there is no driver test needed - which for an ID it is not. Scaling the driving testing is quite challenging and not such an easy fix. Like I alluded to in my original comment, if you can cash a 2,000 check you already have the Id and whatever you need to vote in the most stringent voting law place. afaik. I've seen many people point to GA as hardcore voting 'restrictions' place and make similar points about costs - I just looked at their info, it says an ID card for 8 years may be $32, yet they offer a free one if it just for voting, and if you are indigent they offer a $5 option which may be waived and billed to/paid for by a shelter. I do not care for the 'Real ID' requirements and feel that is a hurdle - but that is from the feds, and it sucks - because having 2 docs say you live somewhere is not easy if you are roommates - but that is not a state mandating voting restriction - it's a dumb thing the feds are trying to get pinpoint proof of location for many people before they get checked to get on planes, and who knows what else. I am a 'no new tax ever' kind of person - so I feel the sentiment you raise, yet find when it comes to rights we have no choice but to provide what is needed from the state. Luckily many tech things, and the ability for people to more easily petition for expanded hours and such - it looks like these things will be getting easier and cheaper as time goes on. editing to add link to Ga Id fees I found / referenced in comment - https://dds.georgia.gov/identification-cards-fees https://dds.georgia.gov/identification-cards-fees

toast0 5y ago

Have you considered the difficulty of obtaining an ID if you don't have one? That is very complex, and out of reach for some.

hokumguru 5y ago
Fun fact that somewhat swayed my opinion recently, we are essentially the only first world country that doesn’t require ID of some kind to vote.
- morsch 5y ago
  In Germany, you're required to submit your address of residence to a municipal office. When there's an election, you'll get a notification sent to this address. At your assigned polling station (which, at least for city dwellers, is usually within walking distance), you can just show the notification, no ID required. Or, if you forgot the notification card, you can show your ID, that works, too.
stevenicr 5y ago
yes - I have helped a half dozen people get ID the past couple years. Unfortunately you need one to cash checks and do all sorts of important things - and it's a good way to prevent fraud / theft / underage activities, etc. The good thing is that I've been seeing digital kisoks popping up at more locations that can handle this sort og thing, and take some of wait times away from the main dmv places. Not long ago my city also opened up all county clerk desks and some other places to help people get the 'real ID' stuff together and submitted. So there is progress in making it easier / better / cheaper. That being said - if you are from one state to another and license was expired and you have to get special papers to show a divorce and name change - le suck! If you have roommates and don't have utility bills in your name for Real Id - what a stupid setup the feds came up with no-fly plane with real proof you are Real.. I expect more people to come up with more ways to make these things better. I expect to see more places like GA offer ID for free for voting, only $5 for indigent people. It can be complex in weird situations, but I believe for most people it's just not as much fun as playing a playstation. I have seen it out of reach for a 70 year old divorcee' - but we all finally found a way to get the docs needed from another state and it all came together finally - most people would not have the same kind of problem however, I'd guess 99.5%

whateveracct 5y ago

This is a well-trodden topic. Maybe you should ask questions instead of spout answers :thonk:

Larrikin 5y ago

Are you willing to have your taxes raised to guarantee everyone in your state gets a state ID including workers similar to census workers that go around helping people with less than stellar English, missing documents, or with out access to the internet. Are you willing to have your taxes raised to fund government buildings that have reasonable hours similar to a retail store so that all people have access? Would you be willing to have your taxes raised to fund a national ID or give passports to everyone at birth or upon becoming a citizen with a technological infrastructure that would make it simple to replace. In my experience when it comes to dealing with any kind of government services, the hours are meant to punish and discourage people from coming. When I needed to actually do something in person at the social security office they had ridiculous hours like closing at 3 or 4 and if you're lucky would open an hour or two before regular working hours, which would have masses of people in line if you weren't there an hour before. They exist to punish those who don't even want to be there but need to be. ID requirements without the infrastructure is just a good way to make sure that certain people can't vote. The laws never come with any way of making it easier to get an ID

stevenicr 5y ago
-"willing to have your taxes raised to guarantee everyone in your state gets a state ID" -- yes, and the amount would not be much at all. I would also redirect all county and state tickets money to double the hours these places are open - and it may not raise taxes at all - in fact calculate the taxes lost as 1500 people per day need to take a day off work - it'll be a reverse wash. the state should provide these docs free of charge no matter how they are paid for. "o fund government buildings" this is changing - we now have digital kiosks in police stations and other places that can do most of the dmv work - many services no human required, some video conference.. no new building needed. Heck lyft can run a million dollar company out of the corner of a pep boys - surely there are more ways to provide more servicing without more buildings. "when it comes to dealing with any kind of government services, the hours are meant to punish and discourage people from coming." - this is something we the people can demand change and actually make it happen. Of course to save from blowing out state budgets we need to rehash how pensions and 401's with state workers are handled - if they continue to shake down the system like the post office, then the slow service is mainly to pad lifetime retirement gov cheese - regardless. "the social security office" here in my city last two visits has been very efficient - not sure the hours - but they can be run well - and hours could be extended easily if we further pursue the kind of video tech in ATM machines and similar. We can demand more infrastructure for id requirements - especially easy if there is no driver test needed - which for an ID it is not. Scaling the driving testing is quite challenging and not such an easy fix. Like I alluded to in my original comment, if you can cash a 2,000 check you already have the Id and whatever you need to vote in the most stringent voting law place. afaik. I've seen many people point to GA as hardcore voting 'restrictions' place and make similar points about costs - I just looked at their info, it says an ID card for 8 years may be $32, yet they offer a free one if it just for voting, and if you are indigent they offer a $5 option which may be waived and billed to/paid for by a shelter. I do not care for the 'Real ID' requirements and feel that is a hurdle - but that is from the feds, and it sucks - because having 2 docs say you live somewhere is not easy if you are roommates - but that is not a state mandating voting restriction - it's a dumb thing the feds are trying to get pinpoint proof of location for many people before they get checked to get on planes, and who knows what else. I am a 'no new tax ever' kind of person - so I feel the sentiment you raise, yet find when it comes to rights we have no choice but to provide what is needed from the state. Luckily many tech things, and the ability for people to more easily petition for expanded hours and such - it looks like these things will be getting easier and cheaper as time goes on. editing to add link to Ga Id fees I found / referenced in comment - https://dds.georgia.gov/identification-cards-fees https://dds.georgia.gov/identification-cards-fees