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> I point out that your generation is also destroying the planet. No, not quite. You stated "no one decided [to harm the environment]". My reply sought to expl

by EB66 5y ago

> I point out that your generation is also destroying the planet. No, not quite. You stated "no one decided [to harm the environment]". My reply sought to explain how that is incorrect. > You acknowledge that—-taking the position that we all are sinners to a greater or lesser extent. Again, not quite. "We are all sinners" is very different from 'humans have made decisions to harm the environment for a long time'. Those two are different. > However, since the contemporary Western religion is Protestantism without a Christ, you don’t even have any salvation to offer. Just endless flagellation of self and others over our sinful natures. We should all do good works, of course, but we are bound to fail. O fortuna! Wow, where to begin... > you don’t even have any salvation to offer. I'm advocating a very simple proposition: preserving the environment. Whether you want to liken it to "salvation" is entirely up to you. > We should all do good works, of course, but we are bound to fail. What an awful assertion. I'd hardly agree that environmental protection and preservation is a lost cause. > Why not instead of hating humanity Again, false. I do not "hate" humanity. > spending your life impotently shaking your fist at our collective imperfections, I could be wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that because something is difficult and that the result might not be unachievable, that it's therefore not worth trying. Again, I completely disagree. > look for systemic solutions that are compatible with human nature? Absolutely! There are an innumerable number of ways that we can protect and preserve the environment. In this thread, I'm contributing in a tiny way by dispelling the notion that "no one decided [to harm the environment]". As I stated above: If we ever want to turn the tide on global environmental destruction, then it is imperative that we as a society not diminish individual responsibility for the impact of one's decisions and actions.

bradleyjg 5y ago
> In this thread, I'm contributing in a tiny way by dispelling the notion that "no one decided [to harm the environment]". As I stated above: If we ever want to turn the tide on global environmental destruction, then it is imperative that we as a society not diminish individual responsibility for the impact of one's decisions and actions. On the contrary preaching at people to change their sinful ways will never work. In fact, it’s likely to be counterproductive. But self righteous sure does feel good. If you really want to save the environment, and not just feel like a good person, invent ways to break the zero sum trade off curve between the environment and human flourishing in the short and medium term.
- wholinator2 5y ago
  To play the advocate, I will state that this is a conversational thread, where people talk about things. So it's no surprise that you see someone talking about a problem and not inventing a solution where the selected medium supports only the former. Invention is sometimes a lonely and quiet endeavor, conversation is much the antithesis.

by EB66 5y ago

bradleyjg 5y ago

> In this thread, I'm contributing in a tiny way by dispelling the notion that "no one decided [to harm the environment]". As I stated above: If we ever want to turn the tide on global environmental destruction, then it is imperative that we as a society not diminish individual responsibility for the impact of one's decisions and actions. On the contrary preaching at people to change their sinful ways will never work. In fact, it’s likely to be counterproductive. But self righteous sure does feel good. If you really want to save the environment, and not just feel like a good person, invent ways to break the zero sum trade off curve between the environment and human flourishing in the short and medium term.

wholinator2 5y ago
To play the advocate, I will state that this is a conversational thread, where people talk about things. So it's no surprise that you see someone talking about a problem and not inventing a solution where the selected medium supports only the former. Invention is sometimes a lonely and quiet endeavor, conversation is much the antithesis.