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These sorts of characterizations are just way, way, way too simplistic. Assume that I earn a six figure income and live in a major city with reasonably fast (t

These sorts of characterizations are just way, way, way too simplistic. Assume that I earn a six figure income and live in a major city with reasonably fast (though not necessarily top tier) Internet. So, y'know, theoretically a fairly desirable customer and not a subsistence farmer or some other demographic that's easy to give the cold shoulder. But still -- Bad Internet day, maybe someone's getting DDoS attacked? If your website isn't lean, I'm more likely to get frustrated by the jank and leave. It's Friday evening and the Internet is crammed full of Netflix? If your website isn't lean, I'm more likely to get frustrated by the jank and leave. Neighbor's running some device that leaks a bunch of radio noise and degrades my wifi network? It's Friday evening and the Internet is crammed full of Netflix? If your website isn't lean, I'm more likely to get frustrated by the jank and leave. I'm connecting from a coffee shop with spotty Internet? If your website isn't lean, I'm more likely to get frustrated by the jank and leave. I've got 50,000 tabs open and they're all eating up a crapton of RAM? If your website isn't lean, I'm more likely to get frustrated by the jank and leave. I'm browsing while I've got some background task like a big compile or whatever chewing up my CPU? If your website isn't lean, I'm more likely to get frustrated by the jank and leave. I'm accessing from my mobile device and I'm in a dead zone (they're common in major cities doncha know)? If your website isn't lean, I'm more likely to get frustrated by the jank and leave. etc. etc. etc. Meanwhile, while it may not be the style of the times, it's absolutely possible to make very good looking websites with no or very little JavaScript. Frankly, a lot of them look and feel even better than over-engineered virtual DOM "applications" do. Without all that JavaScript in the way, the UX feels downright snappy. https://standardebooks.org/ https://standardebooks.org/ is a nice example.

jodrellblank 5y ago
In another thread I just read this[1]: "Using a systems language where it’s not required is just burning time and money." and was considering a response like yours. Is there actually going to be any noticable consequences to the jank of Slack, Teams, GMail, and so on bringing laptops to their knees and damaging user morale and taking a company brand reputation hit? After you get frustrated by the jank and leave, is there anything else you can do except go back because the people and customers and services you need to deal with are using the janky systems, and all the systems are janky these days - and finding ones which aren't, and predicting they will stay that way, and moving to them, is non-trivial? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27406824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27406824

jodrellblank 5y ago

In another thread I just read this[1]: "Using a systems language where it’s not required is just burning time and money." and was considering a response like yours. Is there actually going to be any noticable consequences to the jank of Slack, Teams, GMail, and so on bringing laptops to their knees and damaging user morale and taking a company brand reputation hit? After you get frustrated by the jank and leave, is there anything else you can do except go back because the people and customers and services you need to deal with are using the janky systems, and all the systems are janky these days - and finding ones which aren't, and predicting they will stay that way, and moving to them, is non-trivial? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27406824 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27406824