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That assumption in your first sentence is just wrong. What stops you from leaving and being your own island in such a story? Nothing, if you truly want it. In a

That assumption in your first sentence is just wrong. What stops you from leaving and being your own island in such a story? Nothing, if you truly want it. In a post scarcity society you just go and isolate yourself or find like minded people. Just do not expect the "global government" to provide for you or to stand quiet when you damage "the Commons". Whenever I have had this conversation, people say "they would not let me leave" when they mean "they will not let me leave and start damaging our common resources". I think there is a gigantic difference between these two and the first is just wrong (I agree it would be terrible if it was true) while the second is a policy I would support. Am I missing something? TLDR: Being able to leave is of fundamental importance to freedom and it is in no way forbidden by the imaginary global government that prompted this discussion. But when you leave you should stop expecting to have the benefits of that society.

cblconfederate 5y ago
Can you provide an example of an island that will be 'left alone'? Right now we have treaties extending the rights of countries to all the land, the seas and up in space. Even in international waters they are removing people who want to seastead there. There's truly nowhere to go because a global government expands itself until it fills the vessel.
- krastanov 5y ago
  Alaska for example? Get your own power generation and latrine. It does seem you have to pay taxes on owned land though. But living out of an RV seems to get around that. In my country you can be the custodian of a mountain hut (some of them with plenty of amenities). Again there are some minor taxes to pay (not unreasonable given that they provide for the upkeep of the road to the hut), but again, living from an RV gets around that. I guess the RV would require insurance too. So my examples do not fulfill a fundamentalist interpretation of your requirements, but it seems to me it fullfils the most important features (being left 99% alone, with 1% minor inconveniences). As I mentioned, the fact that the government would go after you if you damage the commons (e.g. hunt endangered species) is a feature, not a bug. Does this at least fulfill the spirit of your question?
  - cblconfederate 5y ago
    Of course not. That is not 'exiting' a society, that s isolating yourself while still being burdened by the whole legal system and requirements of the country you are in. Exiting requires that everyone has an opportunity to escape to another, often competing, society, like how Snowden was able to exit to russia

cblconfederate 5y ago

Can you provide an example of an island that will be 'left alone'? Right now we have treaties extending the rights of countries to all the land, the seas and up in space. Even in international waters they are removing people who want to seastead there. There's truly nowhere to go because a global government expands itself until it fills the vessel.

krastanov 5y ago
Alaska for example? Get your own power generation and latrine. It does seem you have to pay taxes on owned land though. But living out of an RV seems to get around that. In my country you can be the custodian of a mountain hut (some of them with plenty of amenities). Again there are some minor taxes to pay (not unreasonable given that they provide for the upkeep of the road to the hut), but again, living from an RV gets around that. I guess the RV would require insurance too. So my examples do not fulfill a fundamentalist interpretation of your requirements, but it seems to me it fullfils the most important features (being left 99% alone, with 1% minor inconveniences). As I mentioned, the fact that the government would go after you if you damage the commons (e.g. hunt endangered species) is a feature, not a bug. Does this at least fulfill the spirit of your question?
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  Of course not. That is not 'exiting' a society, that s isolating yourself while still being burdened by the whole legal system and requirements of the country you are in. Exiting requires that everyone has an opportunity to escape to another, often competing, society, like how Snowden was able to exit to russia