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Anecdata: ~ I've been bitten in the hand drawing blood by two different dogs (not mine). ~ My daughter had a large dog nipping her face while the owner laughed

Anecdata: ~ I've been bitten in the hand drawing blood by two different dogs (not mine). ~ My daughter had a large dog nipping her face while the owner laughed. ~ I have too different acquaintances that were mauled on their face pretty badly. All these dogs had owners nearby. I love dogs and have had one or more the majority of my life, but people are irresponsible and arrogant.

diggan 5y ago
That's really bad and obviously badly behaved dogs you have interacted with. I hope in all cases they got fined properly for the disturbance and ill caused, and hopefully improved over time, although unlikely... > people are irresponsible and arrogant Agree! And it does harm that people are behaving that way, but that doesn't give me reason to limit people who are not irresponsible and arrogant. Yes, some things are dangerous to consume for example, and irresponsible people can make it worse for everyone by consuming those things, but I don't think we should outlaw those things just because of that.
- Bud 5y ago
  Not a good analogy at all. You're comparing inanimate objects that people consume, entirely by choice, to an animal that can maim or kill others? Find a different rhetorical device, I'd say.
- seattle_spring 5y ago
  I philosophically agree with you, but the reality on the ground on US trails is that many people (dog owners or not) do not observe rules or etiquette. Go on a hike near Seattle and you'll probably leave with a Drake song memorized from how many kids are blasting it on their Bluetooth speakers. The actual trail is sometimes indistinguishable from the switchback cuts people make. Even take some time looking at US centric comments on this site lately: even with respect to a global pandemic, people will vehemently put their own wants over the greater good of society or the environment. The only solution is heavy handed enforcement. It sucks but I don't see a better way.

diggan 5y ago

That's really bad and obviously badly behaved dogs you have interacted with. I hope in all cases they got fined properly for the disturbance and ill caused, and hopefully improved over time, although unlikely... > people are irresponsible and arrogant Agree! And it does harm that people are behaving that way, but that doesn't give me reason to limit people who are not irresponsible and arrogant. Yes, some things are dangerous to consume for example, and irresponsible people can make it worse for everyone by consuming those things, but I don't think we should outlaw those things just because of that.

Bud 5y ago
Not a good analogy at all. You're comparing inanimate objects that people consume, entirely by choice, to an animal that can maim or kill others? Find a different rhetorical device, I'd say.
seattle_spring 5y ago
I philosophically agree with you, but the reality on the ground on US trails is that many people (dog owners or not) do not observe rules or etiquette. Go on a hike near Seattle and you'll probably leave with a Drake song memorized from how many kids are blasting it on their Bluetooth speakers. The actual trail is sometimes indistinguishable from the switchback cuts people make. Even take some time looking at US centric comments on this site lately: even with respect to a global pandemic, people will vehemently put their own wants over the greater good of society or the environment. The only solution is heavy handed enforcement. It sucks but I don't see a better way.