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> I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. Which may apply to 90%

> I think the assumption is, at least from mine and others like me, is that if your dog is off-leash, you can handle your dog off-leash. Which may apply to 90% of off leash dogs. Unfortunately, the other 10% that have dogs that *cannot* be off leash, but do so anyway ruin it for you. There are people that are afraid of dogs. They have no way of knowing, at a distance, whether your dogs will behave or run up to them. So when they see any dog off leash in a leash required area, they have to take a large detour to give the off leash dogs a wide enough berth. If you’re in an area where leashes are required, and you have your dogs off leash (no matter how well trained they are) you are being extremely inconsiderate of the other people around you. As a dog owner as well, I wish there were more acceptable off leash places in society for dogs, and I cherish the areas where off leash behavior is acceptable. But taking them off leash, when others have a fair expectation that they will be leashed is rude and inconsiderate. Finally, in my personal experience the number of well trained off leash dogs (that can behave appropriately in a “leash required” setting), is nowhere near 90%. In fact, I would say the majority of off leash dogs I run across do not behave appropriately. It’s probably closer to 25% of the off leash dogs I run across that are trained well enough that they behave acceptably in on-leash settings

fbelzile 5y ago
As a cyclist, I've had a fair share of "well trained" dogs chase me and nip at my ankles. It's scary and usually only ends after I stop, get off my bike and walk back towards the owner so they can regain control. > Taking them off leash, when others have a fair expectation that they will be leashed is rude and inconsiderate. This sums it up perfectly. Thank you!
- diggan 5y ago
  > I've had a fair share of "well trained" dogs chase me and nip at my ankles Not sure why you say "well trained", the owners have obviously not trained the dog and has no business being off the leash, they are not well trained by any definition and you won't see dogs like that without a leash here in Barcelona. > > Taking them off leash, when others have a fair expectation that they will be leashed is rude and inconsiderate. > This sums it up perfectly. Thank you! So... If there is no expectation of having your dog on the leash, then it's not rude and inconsiderate? Makes me feel a bit better at least, as the expectation here where I live seems to be very different than where you folks live.
  - ncallaway 5y ago
    > If there is no expectation of having your dog on the leash, then it's not rude and inconsiderate? Yea, I would agree with that. If there’s a legal expectation, or shared social expectation that an area requires a leash, then it’s rude and inconsiderate to have a dog off leash in that area. If no such expectation exists, then off leash dogs are much more acceptable. > the expectation here where I live seems to be very different than where you folks live. There’s not a single expectation where I live, it varies by the place that you are. In certain areas of the city, dogs are required to be on a leash, while in the rest of they city they are not required. In most parks in the city, dogs are required to be on a leash, but there are certain parks where dogs are allowed off leash. My expectations of people’s behavior are largely driven by those laws, as that seems like the best way that we have to create shared expectations about different spaces.
  - novok 5y ago
    > Not sure why you say "well trained", the owners have obviously not trained the dog and has no business being off the leash, they are not well trained by any definition and you won't see dogs like that without a leash here in Barcelona. He was using scare quotes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
KineticLensman 5y ago
> There are people that are afraid of dogs. They have no way of knowing, at a distance, whether your dogs will behave or run up to them. So when they see any dog off leash in a leash required area, they have to take a large detour to give the off leash dogs a wide enough berth. This is my sister, exactly. At age four she was chased by an off-leash Alsatian and to this day is nervous of any off-leash large dog

fbelzile 5y ago

As a cyclist, I've had a fair share of "well trained" dogs chase me and nip at my ankles. It's scary and usually only ends after I stop, get off my bike and walk back towards the owner so they can regain control. > Taking them off leash, when others have a fair expectation that they will be leashed is rude and inconsiderate. This sums it up perfectly. Thank you!

diggan 5y ago
> I've had a fair share of "well trained" dogs chase me and nip at my ankles Not sure why you say "well trained", the owners have obviously not trained the dog and has no business being off the leash, they are not well trained by any definition and you won't see dogs like that without a leash here in Barcelona. > > Taking them off leash, when others have a fair expectation that they will be leashed is rude and inconsiderate. > This sums it up perfectly. Thank you! So... If there is no expectation of having your dog on the leash, then it's not rude and inconsiderate? Makes me feel a bit better at least, as the expectation here where I live seems to be very different than where you folks live.
- ncallaway 5y ago
  > If there is no expectation of having your dog on the leash, then it's not rude and inconsiderate? Yea, I would agree with that. If there’s a legal expectation, or shared social expectation that an area requires a leash, then it’s rude and inconsiderate to have a dog off leash in that area. If no such expectation exists, then off leash dogs are much more acceptable. > the expectation here where I live seems to be very different than where you folks live. There’s not a single expectation where I live, it varies by the place that you are. In certain areas of the city, dogs are required to be on a leash, while in the rest of they city they are not required. In most parks in the city, dogs are required to be on a leash, but there are certain parks where dogs are allowed off leash. My expectations of people’s behavior are largely driven by those laws, as that seems like the best way that we have to create shared expectations about different spaces.
- novok 5y ago
  > Not sure why you say "well trained", the owners have obviously not trained the dog and has no business being off the leash, they are not well trained by any definition and you won't see dogs like that without a leash here in Barcelona. He was using scare quotes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

KineticLensman 5y ago

> There are people that are afraid of dogs. They have no way of knowing, at a distance, whether your dogs will behave or run up to them. So when they see any dog off leash in a leash required area, they have to take a large detour to give the off leash dogs a wide enough berth. This is my sister, exactly. At age four she was chased by an off-leash Alsatian and to this day is nervous of any off-leash large dog