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At least in Quake this was not deliberate choice. It was fortunate accident. It took some time for people to discover bunny hopping and once somebody figured it

At least in Quake this was not deliberate choice. It was fortunate accident. It took some time for people to discover bunny hopping and once somebody figured it out it took like a storm. Hopping wasn't discovered immediately. I remember we were doing things like strafing into walls to speed up movement before we knew bunny hops are possible. I don't think idSoftware predicted how the game would be used when they were working on it. I believe the movement mechanics is just a byproduct of simplistic movement calculations.

smoldesu 5y ago
I also think most people discovered trimping before bunnyhopping, which is kinda surprising given how dependent it is on acceleration.
- lmilcin 5y ago
  I think it took couple (2?) years before bunnyhopping was discovered. We knew there is a lot of funny things happening with physics in the game but nobody put them together. We knew, that there is maximum forward and sidespeed but they way they add together is simple vector addition, so you could actually get higher maximum forward speed if you could point that vector forward. We knew it is possible to preserve momentum when turning in air. We abused this jumping outside of ledges and then turning and going back to where you came from. This was very useful on dm2 where there is a ledge, a pool of laval and a wall that divides the ledge. You are supposed to press a button to actuate a ramp on which you could cross the lava but you could also just jump and turn in air violating any physical intuition. The jump can be seen here https://youtu.be/VT-johLi75w?t=128 https://youtu.be/VT-johLi75w?t=128. This jump has a bunny hop component to it but it is not necessary.
deckard1 5y ago
it's not really surprising a bug like bunny hopping would exist, either. You have to realize at the time that everyone was coming from Doom and was still using keyboard movement. I was using keyboard movement in Quake. It wasn't until I joined in with a few friends in QuakeWorld that someone said "hey, you really need to start using a mouse to play." You could get away with keyboard in single player, but even back then you would get stomped by the mouselook players. What's amusing is you could always tell the keyboard players back then, by the way they slowly turned around. Anyway, playing with the mouse was a new thing. Mouse acceleration, dpi, etc. were all just experiments. Introducing a new way to move would surely uncover bugs hidden in the physics code that simply weren't possible to hit with keyboard movement.
Fnoord 5y ago
> It took some time for people to discover bunny hopping IMO back then you discovered it either by just playing, or by reading a game magazine. Back then (when Quake II was released), internet guides for games were less streamlined and available. Which was fun for gaming, as you could discover things on your own. It also meant things had to be less min-maxed. Think of a game like World of Warcraft or Diablo when it was just released, they have the very same problem.

smoldesu 5y ago

I also think most people discovered trimping before bunnyhopping, which is kinda surprising given how dependent it is on acceleration.

lmilcin 5y ago
I think it took couple (2?) years before bunnyhopping was discovered. We knew there is a lot of funny things happening with physics in the game but nobody put them together. We knew, that there is maximum forward and sidespeed but they way they add together is simple vector addition, so you could actually get higher maximum forward speed if you could point that vector forward. We knew it is possible to preserve momentum when turning in air. We abused this jumping outside of ledges and then turning and going back to where you came from. This was very useful on dm2 where there is a ledge, a pool of laval and a wall that divides the ledge. You are supposed to press a button to actuate a ramp on which you could cross the lava but you could also just jump and turn in air violating any physical intuition. The jump can be seen here https://youtu.be/VT-johLi75w?t=128 https://youtu.be/VT-johLi75w?t=128. This jump has a bunny hop component to it but it is not necessary.

deckard1 5y ago

it's not really surprising a bug like bunny hopping would exist, either. You have to realize at the time that everyone was coming from Doom and was still using keyboard movement. I was using keyboard movement in Quake. It wasn't until I joined in with a few friends in QuakeWorld that someone said "hey, you really need to start using a mouse to play." You could get away with keyboard in single player, but even back then you would get stomped by the mouselook players. What's amusing is you could always tell the keyboard players back then, by the way they slowly turned around. Anyway, playing with the mouse was a new thing. Mouse acceleration, dpi, etc. were all just experiments. Introducing a new way to move would surely uncover bugs hidden in the physics code that simply weren't possible to hit with keyboard movement.

Fnoord 5y ago

> It took some time for people to discover bunny hopping IMO back then you discovered it either by just playing, or by reading a game magazine. Back then (when Quake II was released), internet guides for games were less streamlined and available. Which was fun for gaming, as you could discover things on your own. It also meant things had to be less min-maxed. Think of a game like World of Warcraft or Diablo when it was just released, they have the very same problem.