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> Leftists have been very clear that they want the police abolished. Citation _very much_ needed. In my experience this is not a position of the left, beyond
by Aeolos 5y ago
> Leftists have been very clear that they want the police abolished.
Citation _very much_ needed.
In my experience this is not a position of the left, beyond maybe some fringe <0.1% groups.
Stating that as a "position of the left" as a fact merely reinforces what the GP said: "I think the likely explanation for this conundrum is that people don't support <whatever strawman of the week is used to attack a caricature of a position>. "
- xupybd 5y agoThis is not definitive or representative but it is one very public example https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...
- tolbish 5y agoWould a link from someone who doesn't want the police abolished persuade you, or have you already decided those people on the left do not count?
- throwaway894345 5y agoWhat a silly dichotomy. Just because you aren’t convinced by N=1 doesn’t mean you’ve closed your mind to a possibility. Can we grow up?
- tolbish 5y agoLeftists have been very clear they want police held accountable.
- xupybd 5y agoThere are views on all ends of the scale. Most, even conservatives want some police reform.
- JamesBarney 5y agoThis is the whole point we're arguing about up front. That activists have a oversized influence on what we discuss. Less than half of black people support defunding or reducing the police presence but that conversation has smothered all discussions of more realistic and popular reform.