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I see quite a few unsubstantiated claims like this being thrown around in this thread. Can you help by clarifying 1) which activists? 2) which groups to which

I see quite a few unsubstantiated claims like this being thrown around in this thread. Can you help by clarifying 1) which activists? 2) which groups to which they do not belong are they speaking on behalf of? 3) in what way do they think they know better? 4) who among these groups has spoken out against what activists say? and 5) what gives you the impression that the activists have not consulted with the groups they represent (if they are not themselves members of the group)?

dgfitz 5y ago
1) the woke ones. 2) see the comment up thread about the disabled person expected to to fall in line because they’re part of a minority group. 3) see kafkatrap. 4) unsure what you’re asking. 5) see latinx conversation up thread.
damagednoob 5y ago
What triggered my comment was episode 225 of Rationally Speaking[1]. In it, there was an interview with Veena Dubal[2] where she (according to the podcast) is a prominent advocate for AB5 [3]. In it, she concedes that taxi drivers themselves have been polled[4] and _do not_ want be classified as employees and want to maintain their independent contractor status. So in answer to your bullet points: 1) Veena Dubal 2) Uber drivers (I mean, I could be mistaken. Perhaps this professor of law moonlights as an Uber driver. If so, I would continue to argue that this is not her main vocation.) 3) She wants Uber drivers to be classified as employees 4) The majority of Uber drivers 5) Nothing and I never said they hadn't consulted. In this case, quite clearly they have consulted with the groups but have not listened. Now, in the podcast, Dubal goes on to dispute the polling methodology of the various polls. Well okay, re-poll with your questions and present the data. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't ram through legislation before convincing the people you're going to affect the most that it's good for them. Educate and convince them first. [1]: http://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/255-are-uber-and-lyft-drivers-being-exploited/ http://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/255-are-uber-and-lyft-d... [2]: https://www.uchastings.edu/people/veena-dubal/ https://www.uchastings.edu/people/veena-dubal/ [3]: https://www.investopedia.com/california-assembly-bill-5-ab5-4773201 https://www.investopedia.com/california-assembly-bill-5-ab5-... [4]: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/513506-uber-poll-drivers-overwhelmingly-support-independent-contractor-status https://thehill.com/policy/technology/513506-uber-poll-drive...

dgfitz 5y ago

1) the woke ones. 2) see the comment up thread about the disabled person expected to to fall in line because they’re part of a minority group. 3) see kafkatrap. 4) unsure what you’re asking. 5) see latinx conversation up thread.

damagednoob 5y ago

What triggered my comment was episode 225 of Rationally Speaking[1]. In it, there was an interview with Veena Dubal[2] where she (according to the podcast) is a prominent advocate for AB5 [3]. In it, she concedes that taxi drivers themselves have been polled[4] and _do not_ want be classified as employees and want to maintain their independent contractor status. So in answer to your bullet points: 1) Veena Dubal 2) Uber drivers (I mean, I could be mistaken. Perhaps this professor of law moonlights as an Uber driver. If so, I would continue to argue that this is not her main vocation.) 3) She wants Uber drivers to be classified as employees 4) The majority of Uber drivers 5) Nothing and I never said they hadn't consulted. In this case, quite clearly they have consulted with the groups but have not listened. Now, in the podcast, Dubal goes on to dispute the polling methodology of the various polls. Well okay, re-poll with your questions and present the data. The point I'm trying to make is that you don't ram through legislation before convincing the people you're going to affect the most that it's good for them. Educate and convince them first. [1]: http://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/255-are-uber-and-lyft-drivers-being-exploited/ http://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/255-are-uber-and-lyft-d... [2]: https://www.uchastings.edu/people/veena-dubal/ https://www.uchastings.edu/people/veena-dubal/ [3]: https://www.investopedia.com/california-assembly-bill-5-ab5-4773201 https://www.investopedia.com/california-assembly-bill-5-ab5-... [4]: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/513506-uber-poll-drivers-overwhelmingly-support-independent-contractor-status https://thehill.com/policy/technology/513506-uber-poll-drive...