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I'm sorry the current state of the US has nothing whatsoever to do with a breakdown of dialog. Nobody looks at a Lion closing its jaws around an antelope and th

I'm sorry the current state of the US has nothing whatsoever to do with a breakdown of dialog. Nobody looks at a Lion closing its jaws around an antelope and thinks gee what a failure to communicate there. If only they had talked it out. 40 years ago the right wing decided to build its platform on a combination of white people, Christianity, and conservative social and sexual mores. This went swimmingly for a while but none is the fastest growing religion, white people are headed to be the largest minority instead of a majority by 2040s, and more liberal perspective on sex is becoming increasingly common. https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/ https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christ... https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-tps16.html https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2015/cb15-tps... https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-on-homosexuality-persists/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/06/25/global-divide-... To be specific we have gone from half of people believing homosexuality should be accepted to 72% in the last 20 years. White people are slated to become merely the largest minority by 2044, and Christians went from 77% to 65% in 14 years. If your bread and butter is white people, who have strong feelings about sexual mores and jesus by 2044 you are going to be looking at 10% of the population down from closer to 50% in 1980. Hell leave out the sexual mores and white Christians are sliding from 64% heading towards 25%. The republican party hasn't had anything like an acceptable game with any other group in decades. They are losing the country because they built their house on sand and they are freaking out about it instead of making a coherent plan half their party is already off the deep end and wont be dragged back.

ridaj 5y ago
Agree with everything there. For now Republicans play the demographic hand that they're dealt with today. So do the Democrats in other ways (with all the respect due to African-American voters from Georgia, I think their opinion matters a lot more than that of many other democratic supporters). It's important for both parties' survival to shuffle where the puck actually is on election day, not where it'll be in 2044.
- kelnos 5y ago
  > It's important for both parties' survival to shuffle where the puck actually is on election day, not where it'll be in 2044. Also consider that many politicians in power (especially at the national level) won't be alive in 2044. It's worth it to the conservative ones to slow the rate of change a bit, even if they know that some changes are inevitable.
inglor_cz 5y ago
"The republican party hasn't had anything like an acceptable game with any other group in decades." Trump's record with Hispanic voters was actually fairly good, though not great. Many Hispanics do not even consider themselves people of color and Democrats cannot take this fairly huge group for automatically granted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-hispanics/2019/10/03/1640cca0-e55c-11e9-a6e8-8759c5c7f608_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths...
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020 https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020 Hispanics and Black Vote for Republican Party 2020:32% 12% 2016:28% 8% 2012:27% 6% 2008: 31% 4% 2004: 44% 11% 2000: 35% 9% 1996: 21% 12% 1992: 25% 10% 1988: 30% 11% 1984: 34% 9% 1980: 37% 14% Trumps record with Hispanics is only average even grading on a curve and life isn't graded on a curve. Objectively 32% is garbage. Trump got only an average of 25% of nonwhite voters and 58% of white voters in 2020. Once you have as many nonwhite voters as white you need 43% of the non white vote plus 58% of the white vote to win the popular vote. "The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia." https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ This is the crisis for the republicans not the fake crisis of perpetual riots, BLM, or hordes of brown people crossing the border. The best republican performance in history with with nonwhite voters was 39% in 1956 and its just not good enough.
  - ThrowawayR2 5y ago
    > Hispanics and Black Vote for Republican Party > 2020:32% 12% > 2016:28% 8% Am I the only person who sees these two lines as a tremendously stinging rebuke to the Democratic Party and the progressives in particular given what an utterly deplorable individual the incumbent and those who surrounded him were? Sounds like a growth opportunity for the Republicans more than a crisis, which speaks volumes about how the progressive message is being perceived among minorities they are claiming to be helping.

ridaj 5y ago

Agree with everything there. For now Republicans play the demographic hand that they're dealt with today. So do the Democrats in other ways (with all the respect due to African-American voters from Georgia, I think their opinion matters a lot more than that of many other democratic supporters). It's important for both parties' survival to shuffle where the puck actually is on election day, not where it'll be in 2044.

kelnos 5y ago
> It's important for both parties' survival to shuffle where the puck actually is on election day, not where it'll be in 2044. Also consider that many politicians in power (especially at the national level) won't be alive in 2044. It's worth it to the conservative ones to slow the rate of change a bit, even if they know that some changes are inevitable.

inglor_cz 5y ago

"The republican party hasn't had anything like an acceptable game with any other group in decades." Trump's record with Hispanic voters was actually fairly good, though not great. Many Hispanics do not even consider themselves people of color and Democrats cannot take this fairly huge group for automatically granted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-hispanics/2019/10/03/1640cca0-e55c-11e9-a6e8-8759c5c7f608_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths...

michaelmrose 5y ago
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020 https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020 Hispanics and Black Vote for Republican Party 2020:32% 12% 2016:28% 8% 2012:27% 6% 2008: 31% 4% 2004: 44% 11% 2000: 35% 9% 1996: 21% 12% 1992: 25% 10% 1988: 30% 11% 1984: 34% 9% 1980: 37% 14% Trumps record with Hispanics is only average even grading on a curve and life isn't graded on a curve. Objectively 32% is garbage. Trump got only an average of 25% of nonwhite voters and 58% of white voters in 2020. Once you have as many nonwhite voters as white you need 43% of the non white vote plus 58% of the white vote to win the popular vote. "The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among a group of U.S. states and the District of Columbia to award all their electoral votes to whichever presidential candidate wins the overall popular vote in the 50 states and the District of Columbia." https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/ This is the crisis for the republicans not the fake crisis of perpetual riots, BLM, or hordes of brown people crossing the border. The best republican performance in history with with nonwhite voters was 39% in 1956 and its just not good enough.
- ThrowawayR2 5y ago
  > Hispanics and Black Vote for Republican Party > 2020:32% 12% > 2016:28% 8% Am I the only person who sees these two lines as a tremendously stinging rebuke to the Democratic Party and the progressives in particular given what an utterly deplorable individual the incumbent and those who surrounded him were? Sounds like a growth opportunity for the Republicans more than a crisis, which speaks volumes about how the progressive message is being perceived among minorities they are claiming to be helping.