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>There will be cases where people will have strong opinions about, like providing services to ICE - literally helping a violent organisation to be more efficien

by Aunche 5y ago

>There will be cases where people will have strong opinions about, like providing services to ICE - literally helping a violent organisation to be more efficient. This is just "support my pet cause" with some added rationalization. The line of what constitutes as "being complicit" always conveniently ends where the majority of activists lie. You're bad if .1% of your company's revenue comes from a contract with a government organization, part of which enforces illegal immigration. However, if you sign this petition, your sins will be forgiven.

viraptor 5y ago
I think you're generalising a bit and end up building an imaginary persona you believe in. Maybe some people think like that. But for example, in my case: I agree with it and I'm not an activist. "You're bad..." is wrong way to look at it. I'm against helping them rather than against taking their money. There are no sins to forgive but if there were, signing a petition is not a way to achieve it. You presented your idea of the supporter of the quoted opinion and it turns out to be almost the opposite of the supporter you responded to.
- Aunche 5y ago
  My characterization was intentionally facetious for my own amusement, but the core argument remains sound. If working for a company with an ICE contract counts as helping a violent organization, then you should also apply the "silence is violence" doctrine to activists who sign a petition but refuse to quit, yet nobody ever does.
  - viraptor 5y ago
    Some people believe they can push for change from inside. I'm not sure what do you mean by "nobody ever does" - we're commenting on an article about people quitting - and they will if they can't achieve the change they want. Others may not join in the first place due to political reasons. (I've refused 2 jobs at companies doing things I don't agree with)
    - Aunche 5y ago
      In this case, they are being paid to leave, so it's a commercial transaction rather than an act of holding themselves to a moral standard. Not taking a job or resigning from a job for political reasons would be such an act, but I don't see how that would be relevant to "silence is violence" if you aren't pressuring others to do the same.

by Aunche 5y ago

viraptor 5y ago

I think you're generalising a bit and end up building an imaginary persona you believe in. Maybe some people think like that. But for example, in my case: I agree with it and I'm not an activist. "You're bad..." is wrong way to look at it. I'm against helping them rather than against taking their money. There are no sins to forgive but if there were, signing a petition is not a way to achieve it. You presented your idea of the supporter of the quoted opinion and it turns out to be almost the opposite of the supporter you responded to.

Aunche 5y ago
My characterization was intentionally facetious for my own amusement, but the core argument remains sound. If working for a company with an ICE contract counts as helping a violent organization, then you should also apply the "silence is violence" doctrine to activists who sign a petition but refuse to quit, yet nobody ever does.
- viraptor 5y ago
  Some people believe they can push for change from inside. I'm not sure what do you mean by "nobody ever does" - we're commenting on an article about people quitting - and they will if they can't achieve the change they want. Others may not join in the first place due to political reasons. (I've refused 2 jobs at companies doing things I don't agree with)
  - Aunche 5y ago
    In this case, they are being paid to leave, so it's a commercial transaction rather than an act of holding themselves to a moral standard. Not taking a job or resigning from a job for political reasons would be such an act, but I don't see how that would be relevant to "silence is violence" if you aren't pressuring others to do the same.