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They are trying to realize the politicization of all institutions in service of political revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_

They are trying to realize the politicization of all institutions in service of political revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_ins... Also see this article from 1999 when all this was getting started: https://www.hoover.org/research/why-there-culture-war https://www.hoover.org/research/why-there-culture-war

vmception 5y ago
Somehow I went all of the aughts and half of the 2010s without noticing That makes me feel a lot better about the viability of any of this Can I ignore it if I stop noticing and caring about politics and modern inclusitivity pushes? I have my doubts but I’m willing to try! Its just other people shoving it in my face that I don't get to inherit American dreams because I’m not a cis white male and keep reminding me, not that I would want to be. Any accomplishment I have must be broadcast! Any setback must be broadcast as well! Doesn't feel like privilege. I dont want to be a role model I just want to blend in and make money and enjoy the same vices as everyone else.
- avereveard 5y ago
  It started even before, I remember most of these discussion being around in the mid nineties. They're not at all ineffective, they took hold in school and accademia and produced a generation of person deeply sensible to the topic of equity and social issues, which outrage quite easily and can be brought to bear to a wide range of causes from truly important battles to cancelling people for a shirt a friend gifted them. The delay you see is not because of the technique not being viable, it is because in culture wars you need quite literally to grow your army, as people get entrenched in their ways after a while.
oblio 5y ago
I have to point out that your second source is a conservative think tank, and if you're conservative it generally means that the status quo is in your favor ("you like/are happy with the status quo") and any challenge to it looks like the start of a revolution. Interesting article, though.
- tremon 5y ago
  Your assertion isn't true, as was explained to me on HN recently. Conservatism in the US has nothing to do with conservation, it's more synonymous with economic liberalism in Europe: small government, low regulation, wealth makes right. On a personal note, this war on words has turned me off from most debates because hollow sophistry is deemed a virtue by the loudest voices. Excluded middle, and all that.
  - slg 5y ago
    > small government, low regulation, wealth makes right How does this explain their stance on issues like gay marriage, trans rights, abortion, and criminal justice? We really have to stop saying that American conservatives are primarily motivated by small government.
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  - perl4ever 5y ago
    >Conservatism in the US has nothing to do with conservation, it's more synonymous with economic liberalism in Europe This is a very popular cliché, and while the conclusion might hold, the logic doesn't, in my opinion. If the US did have true conservatives, then they would be conserving what is in the US, not Europe. And I think it's widely considered that the existing order in the US has more elements of economic liberalism. On the other hand, the Republicans who like that sort of thing seem increasingly marginalized anyway, so as I said, the conclusion may still be correct.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  Not my concern really, but if you need to comment that someone else used a conservative website as a source for something and that’s “an issue”... you might need more conservative sources in your own reading.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
aeoleonn 5y ago
Yep, via Entryism: "Entryism (also spelled entrism or enterism or called infiltration) is a political strategy in which an organisation or state encourages its members or supporters to join another, usually larger, organization in an attempt to expand influence and expand their ideas and program." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism

vmception 5y ago

Somehow I went all of the aughts and half of the 2010s without noticing That makes me feel a lot better about the viability of any of this Can I ignore it if I stop noticing and caring about politics and modern inclusitivity pushes? I have my doubts but I’m willing to try! Its just other people shoving it in my face that I don't get to inherit American dreams because I’m not a cis white male and keep reminding me, not that I would want to be. Any accomplishment I have must be broadcast! Any setback must be broadcast as well! Doesn't feel like privilege. I dont want to be a role model I just want to blend in and make money and enjoy the same vices as everyone else.

avereveard 5y ago
It started even before, I remember most of these discussion being around in the mid nineties. They're not at all ineffective, they took hold in school and accademia and produced a generation of person deeply sensible to the topic of equity and social issues, which outrage quite easily and can be brought to bear to a wide range of causes from truly important battles to cancelling people for a shirt a friend gifted them. The delay you see is not because of the technique not being viable, it is because in culture wars you need quite literally to grow your army, as people get entrenched in their ways after a while.

oblio 5y ago

I have to point out that your second source is a conservative think tank, and if you're conservative it generally means that the status quo is in your favor ("you like/are happy with the status quo") and any challenge to it looks like the start of a revolution. Interesting article, though.

tremon 5y ago
Your assertion isn't true, as was explained to me on HN recently. Conservatism in the US has nothing to do with conservation, it's more synonymous with economic liberalism in Europe: small government, low regulation, wealth makes right. On a personal note, this war on words has turned me off from most debates because hollow sophistry is deemed a virtue by the loudest voices. Excluded middle, and all that.
- slg 5y ago
  > small government, low regulation, wealth makes right How does this explain their stance on issues like gay marriage, trans rights, abortion, and criminal justice? We really have to stop saying that American conservatives are primarily motivated by small government.
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- perl4ever 5y ago
  >Conservatism in the US has nothing to do with conservation, it's more synonymous with economic liberalism in Europe This is a very popular cliché, and while the conclusion might hold, the logic doesn't, in my opinion. If the US did have true conservatives, then they would be conserving what is in the US, not Europe. And I think it's widely considered that the existing order in the US has more elements of economic liberalism. On the other hand, the Republicans who like that sort of thing seem increasingly marginalized anyway, so as I said, the conclusion may still be correct.
SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Not my concern really, but if you need to comment that someone else used a conservative website as a source for something and that’s “an issue”... you might need more conservative sources in your own reading.
- dragonwriter 5y ago

aeoleonn 5y ago

Yep, via Entryism: "Entryism (also spelled entrism or enterism or called infiltration) is a political strategy in which an organisation or state encourages its members or supporters to join another, usually larger, organization in an attempt to expand influence and expand their ideas and program." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism