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EDIT: I was mistaken here, corrected by a response below. - I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about n

EDIT: I was mistaken here, corrected by a response below. - I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about neighborhood residency without inviting lawsuits. The best they could do is place vaccination centers in more convenient locations for underserved communities, and hope that it could raise the rate of vaccination in the vicinity. I think there were people assuming that if it wasn't against the explicit rules to commute there to be vaccinated, it must be OK, even though it might (in the event of limited supply) undermine the effort to raise vaccination rates in that specific area.

tdeck 5y ago
To be fair, this is a reasonable assumption based on past experience. The government normally has no shortage of rules - it literally governs us. It's not unreasonable for some people to assume that this is a disorganized or inconsistent rollout rather than a form of social engineering meant to narrow the eligibility guidelines.
ping_pong 5y ago
This pretty much summarizes how it was taken advantage of: https://archive.is/Z55Oe https://archive.is/Z55Oe
- lawnchair_larry 5y ago
  Glad it was "taken advantage of", racism has no place here. Disgusting that people think this is ok.
  - Devon64327 5y ago
    They didn't set up a clinic and stick a "Colored folks only" sign out front. At the county or state level, they looked at the data and identified that Black and Latino populations were not being vaccinated at the same rate as white populations, and also recognized that the pandemic has disproportionately affected those same populations. So they committed resources to establish more clinics in areas with high concentrations of the given populations and may have waived certain documentation requirements that are historically more challenging for them to acquire. The result being that people of means, predominantly white people, took time off of work and travelled long distances to take advantage of the situation. Taking the place of a non-zero number of residents that were the intended recipients.
    - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
      There is no reason whatsoever to even consider race. The justification is often that it’s a proxy for income, but that doesn’t make it any more logical. You can just evaluate it by income, profession, whatever, directly. By accusing white people of doing this, you’re still being completely racist. Say “wealthy people from other zip codes” if you want, but we got rid of segregation for a good reason.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        You did?!? You still have poor neighbourhoods populated predominantly by black and latino people, and the “wealthy people from other zip codes” (there, satisfied?) who swoop in to take advantage of the vaccines intended for these neighbourhoods are still predominantly white... So how, exactly, can you claim to have “got rid of segregation”?
        lawnchair_larry 5y ago
        How ignorant are you? Study some history.
hamandcheese 5y ago
> I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about neighborhood residency without inviting lawsuits. Zuckerberg Hospital in SF was offering vaccinations to targeted zip codes ahead of schedule, and they were verifying residency.
- throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
  That's interesting, thanks for the correction. I was extrapolating from https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/health/white-people-covid-vaccines-minorities.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/health/white-people-covid... but that might not have been applicable here.

tdeck 5y ago

To be fair, this is a reasonable assumption based on past experience. The government normally has no shortage of rules - it literally governs us. It's not unreasonable for some people to assume that this is a disorganized or inconsistent rollout rather than a form of social engineering meant to narrow the eligibility guidelines.

ping_pong 5y ago

This pretty much summarizes how it was taken advantage of: https://archive.is/Z55Oe https://archive.is/Z55Oe

lawnchair_larry 5y ago
Glad it was "taken advantage of", racism has no place here. Disgusting that people think this is ok.
- Devon64327 5y ago
  They didn't set up a clinic and stick a "Colored folks only" sign out front. At the county or state level, they looked at the data and identified that Black and Latino populations were not being vaccinated at the same rate as white populations, and also recognized that the pandemic has disproportionately affected those same populations. So they committed resources to establish more clinics in areas with high concentrations of the given populations and may have waived certain documentation requirements that are historically more challenging for them to acquire. The result being that people of means, predominantly white people, took time off of work and travelled long distances to take advantage of the situation. Taking the place of a non-zero number of residents that were the intended recipients.
  - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
    There is no reason whatsoever to even consider race. The justification is often that it’s a proxy for income, but that doesn’t make it any more logical. You can just evaluate it by income, profession, whatever, directly. By accusing white people of doing this, you’re still being completely racist. Say “wealthy people from other zip codes” if you want, but we got rid of segregation for a good reason.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      You did?!? You still have poor neighbourhoods populated predominantly by black and latino people, and the “wealthy people from other zip codes” (there, satisfied?) who swoop in to take advantage of the vaccines intended for these neighbourhoods are still predominantly white... So how, exactly, can you claim to have “got rid of segregation”?
      - lawnchair_larry 5y ago
        How ignorant are you? Study some history.

hamandcheese 5y ago

> I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about neighborhood residency without inviting lawsuits. Zuckerberg Hospital in SF was offering vaccinations to targeted zip codes ahead of schedule, and they were verifying residency.

throwaaskjdfh 5y ago
That's interesting, thanks for the correction. I was extrapolating from https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/health/white-people-covid-vaccines-minorities.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/health/white-people-covid... but that might not have been applicable here.