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Binary compatibility kept x86 dominant, coupled with competing platforms not offering enough of a performance or price benefit to make them worth the trouble.

Binary compatibility kept x86 dominant, coupled with competing platforms not offering enough of a performance or price benefit to make them worth the trouble. That formula has completely changed. With the tremendous improvement in compilers, and the agility of development teams, the move has been long underway. People are firing up their Gravitron2 instances at a blistering pace, my Mac runs on Apple Silicon (already, just months in, with zero x86 apps -- I thought Rosetta2 would be the lifevest, but everyone transitioned so quickly I could do fine without it). It's a very different world.

fvv 5y ago
Both cpu you mentioned are locked in ... I hope less locks in the future , right now you can't buy graviton CPUs just rent in a Amazon datacenter, neither m1 cpu or install Linux on it..
- fvv 5y ago
  Apple sell those cpu because they are "buying" users for their locked ecosystem witch will pay "lifetime" subscription in their services , probably in Future enriched with apple search and apple ads.. 1984 .. but it started with a good CPU.. Amazon is settling.. look how good is our cpu and how cheap.. while they are probably have 0 margin on those and 50% on competition .. look the argument for alternatives in CPU space is not bad.. it's been just the examples that you have chosen that are imo Pricewise and performancewise a CPU can look better if the seller have secondary interest to sell those to you that are not monetary.. (take that 3nm tr7990wx at 300$.. in a locked system that we sell you for 1500$, we will take lifetime 30% cut from what you buy with it anyway ;) if you want 2tb ssd it's another 2k.. but hey the CPU is just 300$ ... ) I will judge m1 only if it will be compatible with Linux and sold separately from the apple (eco)system Talking about architecture arm did a good job.. but under Nvidia.. I'm not so faithful for the future..
  - fvv 5y ago
    Sorry for the rant but some things are not comparable i see m1 and graviton vs Intel or AMD CPU and what i see really is like saying like as image hosting solution nextcloud+owned nas is bad and costly why Google photos is cheaper.. (free.. Until it's not..) ! The two are two different things one can be your.. the other.. not
ben509 5y ago
GHC[1] is almost there >_< [1]: https://www.haskell.org/ghc/blog/20210309-apple-m1-story.html https://www.haskell.org/ghc/blog/20210309-apple-m1-story.htm...
- astrange 5y ago
  It didn't already support arm64? Was nobody using it on iOS? I remember trying to run Mercury on M1 recently and having problems getting it to build - some of that was because it had very old style probably wrong approaches to atomics written in x86 asm. Also, a lot of games are still on x86, even constantly updated ones like Minecraft - and that's not even native code.

fvv 5y ago

Both cpu you mentioned are locked in ... I hope less locks in the future , right now you can't buy graviton CPUs just rent in a Amazon datacenter, neither m1 cpu or install Linux on it..

fvv 5y ago
Apple sell those cpu because they are "buying" users for their locked ecosystem witch will pay "lifetime" subscription in their services , probably in Future enriched with apple search and apple ads.. 1984 .. but it started with a good CPU.. Amazon is settling.. look how good is our cpu and how cheap.. while they are probably have 0 margin on those and 50% on competition .. look the argument for alternatives in CPU space is not bad.. it's been just the examples that you have chosen that are imo Pricewise and performancewise a CPU can look better if the seller have secondary interest to sell those to you that are not monetary.. (take that 3nm tr7990wx at 300$.. in a locked system that we sell you for 1500$, we will take lifetime 30% cut from what you buy with it anyway ;) if you want 2tb ssd it's another 2k.. but hey the CPU is just 300$ ... ) I will judge m1 only if it will be compatible with Linux and sold separately from the apple (eco)system Talking about architecture arm did a good job.. but under Nvidia.. I'm not so faithful for the future..
- fvv 5y ago
  Sorry for the rant but some things are not comparable i see m1 and graviton vs Intel or AMD CPU and what i see really is like saying like as image hosting solution nextcloud+owned nas is bad and costly why Google photos is cheaper.. (free.. Until it's not..) ! The two are two different things one can be your.. the other.. not

ben509 5y ago

GHC[1] is almost there >_< [1]: https://www.haskell.org/ghc/blog/20210309-apple-m1-story.html https://www.haskell.org/ghc/blog/20210309-apple-m1-story.htm...

astrange 5y ago
It didn't already support arm64? Was nobody using it on iOS? I remember trying to run Mercury on M1 recently and having problems getting it to build - some of that was because it had very old style probably wrong approaches to atomics written in x86 asm. Also, a lot of games are still on x86, even constantly updated ones like Minecraft - and that's not even native code.