4 ms·
"even planet-killer tech isn't an extinction-level event." We're talking about probabilities. You're right that a civilization that has violent tendencies may
by fighterpilot 5y ago
"even planet-killer tech isn't an extinction-level event."
We're talking about probabilities.
You're right that a civilization that has violent tendencies may not self-destruct since it may turn out that the destructive potential of future technology is confined to the capacity of city-scale destruction instead of solar-system-scale destruction. Or they may escape their host planet quickly and diversify before nukes or whatever comes after nukes wipes them out.
But it seems to me that the probability of extinction is non-trivially positively correlated with violent and tribal tendencies once that civilization reaches our stage of development. And so that nudges the odds towards an advanced alien civilization being peaceful.
"Over thousands, or millions of years"
Yeah, over a million years, which is not much on cosmic timescales. If FTL travel isn't possible, it'll take many millions of years to go anywhere.
I believe it won't end up as a vestigial organ and will be actively selected against. Tribal conflict has a positive reward to the victor in a resource constrained environment but is negative sum over both parties. Without the payoff to the victor then all we are left with is a negative sum outcome which should be selected against. The only thing I'm not sure of is tribal conflict over reproductive capital, although I can imagine that technology could make that abundant as well.
- ttonkytonk 5y agoWhat is reproductive capital?
- fighterpilot 5y agoI mean competition between the gender that can have 100+ children with a 5-minute time investment (men) for the gender that can have at most 10 children with a 9-month time investment (women). From the genetic perspective of a male, a female's ability to reproduce is a scarce, excludable resource that they need for their genetic fitness and other men stand as roadblocks to obtaining that resource. That makes violence and conflict a valid way to improve the competitive odds of male A over male B. In a future where gestation occurs outside of the womb in some bioengineered setup, that genetic pressure to compete between men will be lessened, which will be a force for peace. I don't mean to talk about groups of people as resources, but for this topic in particular, since we're talking from the perspective of unconscious genes, I think it offers the most clarity.