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This is the way to go in the future. It will be more and more impractical, very costly, and inconvenient to hide information as technology get better. The prob
by matz1 5y ago
This is the way to go in the future. It will be more and more impractical, very costly, and inconvenient to hide information as technology get better.
The problem that need to be solves is not how to hide information but how to fix the issue that arise when the information are public.
Lets talk about one example :
Right now it is a problem if my credit card number become public because it can be used for unauthorized purchase.
Simply having my credit card number become public is not an issue perse but for it to be used for unauthorized purchase is the problem.
But what if I can have my credit card number public while nobody can use it for unauthorized purchase ? then I won't have issue for it being public.
- janto 5y agoYou'd still need to keep something private like a PIN or private key.
- matz1 5y agoWhy ? because some one could stole my money or because someone else could log in without my authorization? What if there is a way to prevent that without PIN or private key ?
- Jorengarenar 5y agoBoth because someone could stole your money or authorize unwanted action. What other way of preventing that do you propose? Fingerprint? I will will send the data of fingerprint. Facial recognition? I will just grab your profile picture. What kind of method do you envise that could prove you are you and not somebody malicious?
- matz1 5y agoI'm obviously not the expert, my point is we should try to seek the solution to the problem that arise when the information is public instead of trying to hide the information. Here is another example: some people argue for privacy because the information can be used to criminalized gay people. Well then fix the criminalization of gay people instead of trying to hide the fact that they are gay.
- Jorengarenar 5y agoDon't change the example. I want to know how do you imagine a method of authentication not requiring any privacy could work. What could be the way to prevent a theft without PIN or private key if your credit card number leak to public?
- matz1 5y ago> I want to know how do you imagine a method of authentication not requiring any privacy could work >Facial Recognition? That could be one way > I will just grab your profile picture. Then maybe fix it to detect whether its a real person or just a picture. Or maybe there are better way, I don't know. Like I said, I'm not the expert, I wouldn't know every solution to every problem. My point is we should spent the effort on figuring out that problem instead of trying to keep thing hiding.
- Jorengarenar 5y agoSince you yourself said you are not an expert, then ask yourself, why do experts make security based on hidden passwords instead of focusing on creating those public-indifferent solutions? Could it be that passwords/PINS/secrets are one of the easiest, cheapest and reliable way of preventing unauthorized access since the ancient times?
- matz1 5y agoThere are tons of problem with secret being leaked, forgotten, thats why we should start figuring out a better way.
- Jorengarenar 5y agoYou know, before anybody starts working on something, they need to at least have a hint it may work and not be easily compromised - e.g. what's preventing hacker from just copying the expected data from facial recognition system and pasting it themselves since it's public? You say "just fix it to detect whether it's legit data" - how? Deep fakes are getting better by the day, we already have problems with recognizing them ourselves.
- lobocinza 5y agoSSI