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I think all your points are pretty strange, but this one I don't even understand: > - They pretend to have all these problems hosting apps that are somehow sol

I think all your points are pretty strange, but this one I don't even understand: > - They pretend to have all these problems hosting apps that are somehow solved by fees, while completely ignoring all the free apps that clearly tax that same infrastructure. Clearly they are not saying that each individual app has to bear its costs, obviously free apps are subsidised by paid apps. And they've never said they are "having problems". They are saying that they are providing a valuable service and want to get paid for that. > - They conveniently ignore the absurd amount of money they must be making from scams that are constantly top-grossing to add insult to injury. Do you seriously think that Apple wouldn't prefer a world without scam apps, and without revenues from scam apps. It's very obvious that the presence of scam apps hurts their brand, not to mention their main argument for the walled garden, much more than however many hundreds of million they earn from scam apps, if that. Apple categorically does not want to make money from scams, even the most rabid Apple hater should acknowledge that.

makecheck 5y ago
> ... obviously free apps are subsidised by paid apps ... If they were so concerned about getting paid, they could easily have an arrangement where companies like Facebook actually have to pay proportional to their use/benefit, aligning incentives. Instead, companies making billions per year pay just $99/year, while developers with a lot less are literally paying a lot more. Obviously, that affects the ability to compete. Worse, the App Store’s economy is so warped that pricing cannot actually reflect true development costs. If Apple wanted to cover infrastructure costs so badly, why would they allow the market to twist to the point where developers cannot reasonably charge higher prices (of which Apple gets a cut)? > Do you seriously think that Apple wouldn't prefer a world without scam apps ... One of the trial discoveries was an E-mail from Schiller showing that, while he seemed concerned about such apps reaching the top in 2013, eight YEARS ago, it is still happening (see Washington Post article from just today[1]). A trillion dollar company that is still making money from scams eight YEARS later is showing that it does NOT care about scams. In this case, actions matter, not just words. Scams are stealing money from people, and Apple pockets 30%. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27413934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27413934
go_prodev 5y ago
> obviously free apps are subsidised by paid apps Subsidised for what exactly? I'm not suggesting that hosting is free, but even free apps make Apple $99/yr in developer license fees.
- Grustaf 5y ago
  > Subsidised for what exactly? The cost of running the appstore, which are astronomical. Not just hosting and infrastructure, reviewing 10000+ apps a day is not free either. > even free apps make Apple $99/yr in developer license fees Hosting probably costs more than that if the app is popular. Not just the app, but potentially icloud, notifications etc. And 99 dollars is per developer, not per app.

makecheck 5y ago

> ... obviously free apps are subsidised by paid apps ... If they were so concerned about getting paid, they could easily have an arrangement where companies like Facebook actually have to pay proportional to their use/benefit, aligning incentives. Instead, companies making billions per year pay just $99/year, while developers with a lot less are literally paying a lot more. Obviously, that affects the ability to compete. Worse, the App Store’s economy is so warped that pricing cannot actually reflect true development costs. If Apple wanted to cover infrastructure costs so badly, why would they allow the market to twist to the point where developers cannot reasonably charge higher prices (of which Apple gets a cut)? > Do you seriously think that Apple wouldn't prefer a world without scam apps ... One of the trial discoveries was an E-mail from Schiller showing that, while he seemed concerned about such apps reaching the top in 2013, eight YEARS ago, it is still happening (see Washington Post article from just today[1]). A trillion dollar company that is still making money from scams eight YEARS later is showing that it does NOT care about scams. In this case, actions matter, not just words. Scams are stealing money from people, and Apple pockets 30%. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27413934 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27413934

go_prodev 5y ago

> obviously free apps are subsidised by paid apps Subsidised for what exactly? I'm not suggesting that hosting is free, but even free apps make Apple $99/yr in developer license fees.

Grustaf 5y ago
> Subsidised for what exactly? The cost of running the appstore, which are astronomical. Not just hosting and infrastructure, reviewing 10000+ apps a day is not free either. > even free apps make Apple $99/yr in developer license fees Hosting probably costs more than that if the app is popular. Not just the app, but potentially icloud, notifications etc. And 99 dollars is per developer, not per app.