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They seem associated with the ocean as well, many reports of the craft originating or disappearing into the ocean ("transmedium" vehicles). Is it possible that

They seem associated with the ocean as well, many reports of the craft originating or disappearing into the ocean ("transmedium" vehicles). Is it possible that there's some form of life that originates in the ocean, has evolved intelligence that is in a totally different paradigm than us, and this is their equivalent of going to "space"? It makes sense in the macro-sense as well as we're very lucky to not be a water world in the habitable zone. Life evolved in the oceans far earlier than on land and we know very little about the ocean due to it's large size.

user-the-name 5y ago
It's camera artefacts, dude.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > It's camera artefacts, dude Does the U.S. report take a view on this? I'm not particularly swung by the extraterrestrial hypothesis. But I am curious if this is a classified project, domestic or foreign, or just a series of similar artefacts.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    It doesn't need to. It's easy enough to view the videos and confirm that this is, in fact, what they are.
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > It doesn't need to. It's easy enough to view the videos and confirm So the U.S. government is going through the trouble of declassification to reveal the limits of its sensors to adversaries? From what we can tell, the reports categorise them as UFOs. That implies a non-artefact theory.
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        This could all be a feint to claim their sensors are weaker than they really are.
        king_magic 5y ago
        Doesn’t really pass the smell test. 80+ years of advancements in US gov’t radar tech, and these systems get fooled this easily? Hard to buy that IMO.
    - king_magic 5y ago
      That’s a pretty bold statement to make, especially when these objects were observed with multiple independent radar systems and multiple humans’ visual sight. Amazing what camera artifacts can do, isn’t it?
- m_mueller 5y ago
  Including their radar signatures?
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    What evidence do you have of anything having any radar signature?
    - ssully 5y ago
      Some of the confirmed cases from the pentagon include the fact that they were detected on radar.
    - Diederich 5y ago
      Video released this week shows radar contact.
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        It also shows basically nothing else whatsoever. I could be literally anything.
        m_mueller 5y ago
        I agree about that. Basically at this moment there are two ways to interpret these releases: US government / military is trolling everybody for whatever reason (cover-up, FUD), OR you trust them and there is something very interesting out there, whether it's earthly or not. In any case though, this goes beyond just some optical illusion or camera artifact.
- king_magic 5y ago
  Ah yes, camera artifacts make perfect sense - they totally explain visual sightings (tic tac) combined with multiple, independent radar system sightings of said tic tac. Just amazing that camera artifacts can mess with human vision that much. Oh wait, our eyes (and radar systems) aren’t cameras? Darn. There goes that idea.
arbuge 5y ago
We may not know all there is to know about the oceans (or much else really), but I highly doubt we'd have missed an entire advanced civilization of the type you're implying.
- andiareso 5y ago
  I would argue against that as there are very sophisticated aquatic life documented living at depths very hard for us to get to. Like imagine beings that can live at the very bottom of the ocean where the pressure is so high that it would just be too difficult for our devices to reach, but are themselves evolved enough to handle it :| IDK it's at least an interesting thought. [EDIT]: We've only reached the "Challenger Depth" (bottom) a few times throughout history and they weren't huge mapping-type missions. It could also stand to reason they would build under the surface to avoid predators and such. It's a fun thought nevertheless. Much more fun to think about than just artifacts on a lens.
swilliamsio 5y ago
Can't imagine those water aliens would be too pleased with all the plastic we've been dumping down there.
- andiareso 5y ago
  I would imagine if they live at the deepest depths of the ocean it wouldn't even phase them. I feel like the analogy of us and space is pretty accurate. Satellites and space trash don't bother us much as they are so far above.
  - tkojames 5y ago
    Nah there is trash tons of trash at the bottom of the ocean. When James Cameron went to challenger deep they found plastic bags at the bottom.
  - ChrisGranger 5y ago
    Not all of our debris floats. Trash has been found on the ocean floor. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pollution-idUSKCN1SJ241 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pollution-idU...
treeman79 5y ago
Or they go over the horizon. It would look like going into ocean
Apocryphon 5y ago
What if it's a Pacific Rim situation where the transidmensional rift just happens to be located in the deep sea
andiareso 5y ago
I really like this reasoning. It's fun to think of a whole civilization evolving in an alternate way to us having a total different set of problems to solve. Electricity generation, vehicle transport, dwellings, etc. Probably completely ridiculous but would make a good movie.

user-the-name 5y ago

It's camera artefacts, dude.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> It's camera artefacts, dude Does the U.S. report take a view on this? I'm not particularly swung by the extraterrestrial hypothesis. But I am curious if this is a classified project, domestic or foreign, or just a series of similar artefacts.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  It doesn't need to. It's easy enough to view the videos and confirm that this is, in fact, what they are.
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > It doesn't need to. It's easy enough to view the videos and confirm So the U.S. government is going through the trouble of declassification to reveal the limits of its sensors to adversaries? From what we can tell, the reports categorise them as UFOs. That implies a non-artefact theory.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      This could all be a feint to claim their sensors are weaker than they really are.
      - king_magic 5y ago
        Doesn’t really pass the smell test. 80+ years of advancements in US gov’t radar tech, and these systems get fooled this easily? Hard to buy that IMO.
  - king_magic 5y ago
    That’s a pretty bold statement to make, especially when these objects were observed with multiple independent radar systems and multiple humans’ visual sight. Amazing what camera artifacts can do, isn’t it?
m_mueller 5y ago
Including their radar signatures?
- user-the-name 5y ago
  What evidence do you have of anything having any radar signature?
  - ssully 5y ago
    Some of the confirmed cases from the pentagon include the fact that they were detected on radar.
  - Diederich 5y ago
    Video released this week shows radar contact.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      It also shows basically nothing else whatsoever. I could be literally anything.
      - m_mueller 5y ago
        I agree about that. Basically at this moment there are two ways to interpret these releases: US government / military is trolling everybody for whatever reason (cover-up, FUD), OR you trust them and there is something very interesting out there, whether it's earthly or not. In any case though, this goes beyond just some optical illusion or camera artifact.
king_magic 5y ago
Ah yes, camera artifacts make perfect sense - they totally explain visual sightings (tic tac) combined with multiple, independent radar system sightings of said tic tac. Just amazing that camera artifacts can mess with human vision that much. Oh wait, our eyes (and radar systems) aren’t cameras? Darn. There goes that idea.

arbuge 5y ago

We may not know all there is to know about the oceans (or much else really), but I highly doubt we'd have missed an entire advanced civilization of the type you're implying.

andiareso 5y ago
I would argue against that as there are very sophisticated aquatic life documented living at depths very hard for us to get to. Like imagine beings that can live at the very bottom of the ocean where the pressure is so high that it would just be too difficult for our devices to reach, but are themselves evolved enough to handle it :| IDK it's at least an interesting thought. [EDIT]: We've only reached the "Challenger Depth" (bottom) a few times throughout history and they weren't huge mapping-type missions. It could also stand to reason they would build under the surface to avoid predators and such. It's a fun thought nevertheless. Much more fun to think about than just artifacts on a lens.

swilliamsio 5y ago

Can't imagine those water aliens would be too pleased with all the plastic we've been dumping down there.

andiareso 5y ago
I would imagine if they live at the deepest depths of the ocean it wouldn't even phase them. I feel like the analogy of us and space is pretty accurate. Satellites and space trash don't bother us much as they are so far above.
- tkojames 5y ago
  Nah there is trash tons of trash at the bottom of the ocean. When James Cameron went to challenger deep they found plastic bags at the bottom.
- ChrisGranger 5y ago
  Not all of our debris floats. Trash has been found on the ocean floor. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pollution-idUSKCN1SJ241 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-pollution-idU...

treeman79 5y ago

Or they go over the horizon. It would look like going into ocean

Apocryphon 5y ago

What if it's a Pacific Rim situation where the transidmensional rift just happens to be located in the deep sea

andiareso 5y ago

I really like this reasoning. It's fun to think of a whole civilization evolving in an alternate way to us having a total different set of problems to solve. Electricity generation, vehicle transport, dwellings, etc. Probably completely ridiculous but would make a good movie.