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It is more nuanced than that you think. It is not coming from the extreme mental illness. One of the major factor that led to his death is the federal prosecuto

It is more nuanced than that you think. It is not coming from the extreme mental illness. One of the major factor that led to his death is the federal prosecutor. This POS prosecutor made Aaron to believe that Aaron absolutely have no way out (which not true but this POS don't even care). This prosecutor lead so hard on Aaron and the outcome is Aaron's passing. That prosecutor should be in jail for pushing Aaron to the edge.

tzs 5y ago
> This POS prosecutor made Aaron to believe that Aaron absolutely have no way out (which not true but this POS don't even care). How did the prosecutor make Swartz believe that? Edit: to elaborate, the commentator above is implying that Swartz had a way out that the prosecutor somehow prevented Swartz from finding out about. I would like to know what that way out was, and how the prosecutor prevented Swartz from finding out about it. Swartz had a legal team defending him who I would have expected to inform him of all his options.
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oh_sigh 5y ago
So Aaron's other suicidal episodes, when no one was prosecuting him, aren't relevant to his final suicidal episode? Surely, the prosecution weighed on him, but no mentally healthy person would choose to commit suicide before the outcome of the charges was even determined. It's not clear to me how one assigns blame for suicide in most cases, or what the options are for prosecutors. If a quasi-suicidal person cuts me off on the highway and I give them the middle finger, and they go home and commit suicide because of it - am I culpable? If, generally, a prosecutor thinks that a person is not mentally stable enough to face trial for their crimes without commiting suicide, are they just allowed to get away with what they want? Or should they be involuntarily committed?
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  I don't think threatening to wield what we now know is a poorly constructed law to put someone in prison for nearly the rest of their natural life is the same as giving someone the finger. He faced up to 35 years in prison for doing what many of us consider an effort to make the world a better place based on his own moral principals.
  - xadhominemx 5y ago
    He was offered a 6 month sentence in a low security facility
    - michaelmrose 5y ago
      To admit guilt instead of actually defending himself in court. There is something implicitly wrong about getting a different sentence as punishment for actually having your day in court.
      - xadhominemx 5y ago
        Ok so you acknowledge that he was not actually facing a long prison sentence? And yes pleading guilty carries a lower sentence in part because you are rewarded for accepting responsibility for your actions.
        michaelmrose 5y ago
        He was indeed facing a long prison sentence if he chose to defend himself and rewarding people for pleading guilty makes no sense. You aren't accepting responsibility you are literally making a self serving bet that you will probably lose your case and thereby serve a lesser sentence by taking a plea. Unfortunately innocent people make that same calculation and sometimes accept a short sentence rather than fearing a sentence that represents basically an end to their normal life. If you are innocent or believe as is in fact the case here that the governments position is legally incorrect you shouldn't face punishment for arguing that in front of a judge. For innocent people whom are inevitably convicted every day in any justice system this represents a punishment for asserting innocence. The fact that you think this is normal is just a sign that our entire society is itself abnormal and broken.
xadhominemx 5y ago
He was offered a 6 month sentence in a low security prison

tzs 5y ago

> This POS prosecutor made Aaron to believe that Aaron absolutely have no way out (which not true but this POS don't even care). How did the prosecutor make Swartz believe that? Edit: to elaborate, the commentator above is implying that Swartz had a way out that the prosecutor somehow prevented Swartz from finding out about. I would like to know what that way out was, and how the prosecutor prevented Swartz from finding out about it. Swartz had a legal team defending him who I would have expected to inform him of all his options.

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oh_sigh 5y ago

So Aaron's other suicidal episodes, when no one was prosecuting him, aren't relevant to his final suicidal episode? Surely, the prosecution weighed on him, but no mentally healthy person would choose to commit suicide before the outcome of the charges was even determined. It's not clear to me how one assigns blame for suicide in most cases, or what the options are for prosecutors. If a quasi-suicidal person cuts me off on the highway and I give them the middle finger, and they go home and commit suicide because of it - am I culpable? If, generally, a prosecutor thinks that a person is not mentally stable enough to face trial for their crimes without commiting suicide, are they just allowed to get away with what they want? Or should they be involuntarily committed?

michaelmrose 5y ago
I don't think threatening to wield what we now know is a poorly constructed law to put someone in prison for nearly the rest of their natural life is the same as giving someone the finger. He faced up to 35 years in prison for doing what many of us consider an effort to make the world a better place based on his own moral principals.
- xadhominemx 5y ago
  He was offered a 6 month sentence in a low security facility
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    To admit guilt instead of actually defending himself in court. There is something implicitly wrong about getting a different sentence as punishment for actually having your day in court.
    - xadhominemx 5y ago
      Ok so you acknowledge that he was not actually facing a long prison sentence? And yes pleading guilty carries a lower sentence in part because you are rewarded for accepting responsibility for your actions.
      - michaelmrose 5y ago
        He was indeed facing a long prison sentence if he chose to defend himself and rewarding people for pleading guilty makes no sense. You aren't accepting responsibility you are literally making a self serving bet that you will probably lose your case and thereby serve a lesser sentence by taking a plea. Unfortunately innocent people make that same calculation and sometimes accept a short sentence rather than fearing a sentence that represents basically an end to their normal life. If you are innocent or believe as is in fact the case here that the governments position is legally incorrect you shouldn't face punishment for arguing that in front of a judge. For innocent people whom are inevitably convicted every day in any justice system this represents a punishment for asserting innocence. The fact that you think this is normal is just a sign that our entire society is itself abnormal and broken.

xadhominemx 5y ago

He was offered a 6 month sentence in a low security prison