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Depending on where you want to buy it can be impossible

silicon2401 5y ago
We have the right to property, not the right to property in a specific place like LA or NYC, and so on. Tough luck, look somewhere else or reconsider your priorities. Making things impossible is part of freedom. Finding a KKK-friendly community is impossible in most of the country, but that doesn't indicate a lack of freedom, nor is it something most people would have a problem with.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  Uh yeah of course but hardly confined to huge cities like that.
  - silicon2401 5y ago
    The principle is the same. It's like complaining that it's hard to travel by horse and buggy. Nobody's obligated to keep houses HOA-free and nobody's entitled to HOA-free houses. If it's really that big a deal, start an anti-HOA movement in a community where the opportunity exists, just like pro-HOA people started HOA communities where the opportunity exists.
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    Small cities have plenty of land you can build on.
    - emodendroket 5y ago
      Even when that's true, they'll object to a new development without an HOA because they don't want the city on the hook for common infrastructure just for that new development.
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
Can you give me a list? I actually do know of a few master planned communities like that but they number in the dozens nationwide and most are special purpose retirement communities. I've yet to see a person claim that it is impossible to buy a non-HOA home anywhere in commuting distance of their job actually name such a place. I'm pretty confident they don't actually exist and this is a way of people who want to have their cake and eat it too to throw a tantrum that they can't move into a neighborhood where everyone but them are bound by an HOA. I don't know where you live but if it is in the US and you're not retired, I'm fairly confident that I could find a non-HOA property that exists in your area. I've issued this challenge hundreds of times and have had zero people successfully name such a place. What usually happens is they come up with other disqualifiers like "That's a bad school district", "That's a high crime area" or "I don't like the style of houses there", which are reasonable criteria but is not the same thing as it being impossible to find a house not in an HOA. And of course there are the other options: buy land and build on it, or move somewhere else. But people feel entitled to force themselves on others without their consent. Every owner in an HOA consented to being in the HOA. Prohibiting them from forming an HOA of consenting owners is you taking away their ability to consent.
- emodendroket 5y ago
  Because I'm going to be working in the area later this year, I've been looking at Irvine, where it seems to be true. I don't make it a habit of looking into real estate in places I don't live, but a rule of thumb is if it's a new development or not on a main road it's in an HOA (and of course multifamily housing probably has one). The house I live in now is on a main road and not in an HOA.

We have the right to property, not the right to property in a specific place like LA or NYC, and so on. Tough luck, look somewhere else or reconsider your priorities. Making things impossible is part of freedom. Finding a KKK-friendly community is impossible in most of the country, but that doesn't indicate a lack of freedom, nor is it something most people would have a problem with.

emodendroket 5y ago
Uh yeah of course but hardly confined to huge cities like that.
- silicon2401 5y ago
  The principle is the same. It's like complaining that it's hard to travel by horse and buggy. Nobody's obligated to keep houses HOA-free and nobody's entitled to HOA-free houses. If it's really that big a deal, start an anti-HOA movement in a community where the opportunity exists, just like pro-HOA people started HOA communities where the opportunity exists.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  Small cities have plenty of land you can build on.
  - emodendroket 5y ago
    Even when that's true, they'll object to a new development without an HOA because they don't want the city on the hook for common infrastructure just for that new development.

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

Can you give me a list? I actually do know of a few master planned communities like that but they number in the dozens nationwide and most are special purpose retirement communities. I've yet to see a person claim that it is impossible to buy a non-HOA home anywhere in commuting distance of their job actually name such a place. I'm pretty confident they don't actually exist and this is a way of people who want to have their cake and eat it too to throw a tantrum that they can't move into a neighborhood where everyone but them are bound by an HOA. I don't know where you live but if it is in the US and you're not retired, I'm fairly confident that I could find a non-HOA property that exists in your area. I've issued this challenge hundreds of times and have had zero people successfully name such a place. What usually happens is they come up with other disqualifiers like "That's a bad school district", "That's a high crime area" or "I don't like the style of houses there", which are reasonable criteria but is not the same thing as it being impossible to find a house not in an HOA. And of course there are the other options: buy land and build on it, or move somewhere else. But people feel entitled to force themselves on others without their consent. Every owner in an HOA consented to being in the HOA. Prohibiting them from forming an HOA of consenting owners is you taking away their ability to consent.

emodendroket 5y ago
Because I'm going to be working in the area later this year, I've been looking at Irvine, where it seems to be true. I don't make it a habit of looking into real estate in places I don't live, but a rule of thumb is if it's a new development or not on a main road it's in an HOA (and of course multifamily housing probably has one). The house I live in now is on a main road and not in an HOA.