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Many people would call your refusal to hear their opinion on Israel/Palestine or any other issue “problematic,” or contributing to an “unsafe” environment. You
by spoonjim 5y ago
Many people would call your refusal to hear their opinion on Israel/Palestine or any other issue “problematic,” or contributing to an “unsafe” environment. You can say you’re against racism at work but do you think you can push back against the next BLM workshop with “this isn’t appropriate for work?” Doubtful.
- paganel 5y ago> BLM workshop I live in Eastern-European, one ocean away from the States, I'm curious about these workshops, do they really happen as often as people say they happen? (let's say once a month or so, which I would consider "often" for this type of meetings). I'm asking because they do look to me like pretty much resembling the communist party indoctrinations work-place meetings my dad had to attend in the 1980s (my dad's workplace was in the business of building stuff inside a steel mill factory, so nothing intrinsically political about it), those communist party meetings seemed to be taken seriously by absolutely no-one and were seen just as a huge loss of one's time.
- knorker 5y agoThey're often called Marxists. I've not grown up in eastern Europe, but yeah probably right. Everyone thinks it's bullshit waste of time, but will anyone speak up? No, you sit through because it's easier than dealing with the consequences of denouncing the indoctrination.
- ecshafer 5y agoThey call themselves Marxists, but Marx didn't care about diversity, or think white people are evil, or that there's toxic masculinity, and would deride these ideas. They are not marxists.
- muyuu 5y agothey pretty much are if the yardstick is Marx and his manifesto + Das Kapital series, then practically nobody was a Marxist - not even Marx himself later in life and certainly not Lenin, Stalin or Mao since Gramsci the mainstream of Marxism replaces material determinism with a hybrid of cultural hegemony and social gatekeeping, with things like religion, race, feminism being much more central than they were for Marx - and this has been the mainstream of Marxism for 100+ years, so hardly a new development in this particular respect
- jpatt 5y agoNot really. HN skews pretty right wing on things like this. It isn't nearly as commonplace or ridiculous as it would have you believe. I say this as a member of a "woke MegaCorp."
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago> HN skews pretty right wing on things like this. Homie, that’s just an indication of how far left you are. HN doesn’t “skew pretty right” on anything. That’s just perspective for you.
- secondcoming 5y agoThey're happening in the UK too, however at least for my employer, it's a one-off multi-hour 'training session'. Amusingy, our trainers were 3 white people, led by a male. The book 'White Fragility' was used as a reference. You just sit through it and at the end say you found it enlighening or whatever. Box ticked.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago> Box ticked Sorry, job quit. I would NEVER allow myself to be forced into a room to listen to some racist “anti racist” nonsense and then consent to agreement on any of it even implicitly. I’d consider that only a small step above willingly kneeling before my executioner.
- concordDance 5y agoI'm from the UK, in my experience it's only once per person per workplace and takes a few hours.
- bjourne 5y ago> Many people would call your refusal to hear their opinion on Israel/Palestine or any other issue “problematic,” or contributing to an “unsafe” environment. Citation needed.
- throwaway210222 5y agoSurely everyone arranges for a customer to call with a critical production issue just as the $ISSUE workshop starts?
- spoonjim 5y agoCancelling a workshop for a live site would be an act of aggression and violence. Let the customers wait.
- vmception 5y agoThat’s not the purpose of a corporation an unincorporated sole proprietorship is better for having no customers and hosting workshops on trending topics
- _-david-_ 5y agoCan you clarify if this is sarcasm or not.
- bendbro 5y agoYou can laugh either way!
- wearywanderer 5y agoIs it just me, or is the sarcasm problem worsening? Sometimes I earnestly can't even tell if I am being sarcastic.
- spoonjim 5y agoI mean, I think it’s stupid, the corporation’s purpose is to deliver product to customers. But I think you’d be in a lot of hot water if you actually suggested cancelling a race workshop for a live site.
- LegitShady 5y agoIt doesn't address the issue. It's just ducking your head down to not participate one way or the other. It's fine for keeping your head down, it doesn't address workplace culture. I have a coworker who does almost no work, but is on four different organizational diversity committees so is basically bulletproof. They've caused major rifts in the team. My only solution is to find a new job, which is what I'm working on now. When your workplace empowers those sorts of behaviours in the name of progressive benevolence, just ducking your head down only works for so long.
- alisonkisk 5y ago"refusal to hear" isn't the "unsafe" problem so much as "refusal to agree".