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China supported this in a psyop. Remember when they tried repeatedly to push the origin of the virus to Italy? I'm ethnically Chinese, so I'm in contact with a

China supported this in a psyop. Remember when they tried repeatedly to push the origin of the virus to Italy? I'm ethnically Chinese, so I'm in contact with a lot of mainlanders. The brainwashing is very effective. Even if most mainlanders know that their state media is bogus, and that Xi is a dictator, they'll take it deeply personally when you say anything that threatens the whole China # 1 narrative. All they had to do was hire a few shitposters, feed a few media narratives and the US fights with itself over stuff like anti-china, racists etc, while the CCP takes over Hong Kong.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars? Who paid for all that acting, scenes, and filming and then have it presented as “news”? CCP owns Hong Kong, that was over in 1997, the only surprising thing about HK is that China waited this long to make it better known. Now... The country of Taiwan on the other hand, it’s going to be a bit more tense there for some time. EDIT: Added links from Jan, most videos have been removed but the articles and screenshots are there. The one I specifically wanted was removed from YouTube and I can’t find it, showed a guy being checked by a PPE marshmallow then nearly immediately going into spasms in his car. EDIT2: To whoever might have been upset at my thoughts on Taiwan; I updated it with some italics for you. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus... https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coronavirus-infected-people-dying-streets-supermarkets-trains-38543 https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coro... Here is snopes with an eye roll worthy fact check https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavirus/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavi... “Unproven” ok, thanks for that guys.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  > Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars? Could you provide a link? I never saw such video on YouTube.
  - generalizations 5y ago
    I can confirm the videos existed. Saw them when they were posted, back in Jan 2020. They were never on youtube, though, that I'm aware of.
    - carlivar 5y ago
      I saw these too, mostly on Twitter. I shorted Boeing based on them and made some nice money. My friends didn't believe me that this was looking real bad.
      - richrichardsson 5y ago
        > didn't believe me that this was looking real bad I think the problem was the world also didn't believe it. Perhaps if every other country had had the balls to just shut down travel in/out of China for a month or so back at the very start it might never have been so bad. I remember when the very first reports of a novel Coronavirus in Wuhan were making the news that it had the potential to be really bad, but also had some wishful thinking that it was probably just a storm in a teacup.
        SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        Hang on a second, remember Trump was called racist and xenophobic for shutting down travel to China? And how weird that Zuckerburg sent an email to Fauci about vaccine funding and offers of help exactly the same time Nancy’s Pelosi was literally saying come to Chinatown and hug and Asian person. How were they talking about a vaccine at that point? There seems to have been a lot of public and private statements going on, and everyone wants to memoryhole it.
        vkou 5y ago
        I remember when he shut down travel from China... On January 31st. There were ~2k new cases every day, and internal travel was heavily restricted. Meanwhile, it took until March 11th to ban travel from Europe, which at the time was seeing ~10k new cases a day, with full freedom of movement from affected areas to unaffected ones. The problem wasn't that he banned travel from China. The problem is that he didn't ban travel from Europe, until it got way worse than China.
justicezyx 5y ago
> Even if most mainlanders know that their state media is bogus, and that Xi is a dictator I am an ethnic Chinese, I don't see this impression at all. Disclaimer: this is quite normal, China is huge with 1.4b people, there are a lot of social bubbles. And the readers should read this comment and the parent of proving that. Not that this comment or the parent is true.
- ngc248 5y ago
  Well its turtles all the way isnt it, "And the readers should read this comment and the parent of proving that. Not that this comment or the parent is true.". The same standard would apply to your comment.
  - justicezyx 5y ago
    Yes, of course, my comment and the parent are to show that there cannot be a simple truth about a nation with 1.4b people. Realizing that, is the first step to reach any meaningful truth about China. That's true even to native Chinese people. That's even more true to outsiders (obviously).
tfcata 5y ago
You might be ethnically Chinese, but you are probably sided with KMT. Now shut up for good. The US is not going to attack mainland for your worthless lives.
ddalex 5y ago
> blame Italy I would like to remind everybody that this happened in Milano just before the outbreak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_uXF9B4KI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_uXF9B4KI
CorrectHorseBat 5y ago
Or all the effort to not call it China Virus/Wuhan flu because that's racist and we don't name viruses after places anymore. Virus variants named after places on the other hand are apparently perfectly fine. So we don't have the Chinese virus but we do have British, Brazilian and Indian variants.
- bildung 5y ago
  Nobody in the world except the US right called it that, and it is indeed uncommon to name viruses after its place of origin.
  - zpeti 5y ago
    Literally any new variant has been called by its origin in the last year: -kent/brit variant -indian variant -california variant What are you on about?
    - bildung 5y ago
      > What are you on about? Not those variants, obviously.
  - avereveard 5y ago
    Except for the Spanish flu, the Brazilian flu, almost every single mammarenavirus strain...
    - bildung 5y ago
      The Spanish Flu most probably originated in the US, not Spain. Spain just had a pretty free press and published much about it. Never heard about the Brazilian Flu and couldn't find out when and where this was supposed to be, so can't comment here.
      - KMag 5y ago
        The question wasn't historically if the place-of-origin names were accurate. The question was if they were historically common. I think naming diseases after places is a bad practice we should probably do away with, but it certainly has precedent. Offhand, there's also the Marburg virus. My understanding is also that it was unusual to name the Ebola virus after the nearby river instead of the nearby town.
flavius29663 5y ago
That's the weird think about propaganda. Even if you know it's propaganda, it works pretty well when it's heavily pushed. I come from a former communist country, and most people despised the communist party and risked their lives in a revolution. After the revolution, they began to parrot the same talking points the heard in the decades before. Even with all the information we have today, the talking points induced by communist propaganda remain alive.
tim333 5y ago
I'm curious with Wikipedia which is normally neutral but was very anti lab leak in this case, whether China directly had people work as editors there.
- guywhocodes 5y ago
  Citation Needed

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars? Who paid for all that acting, scenes, and filming and then have it presented as “news”? CCP owns Hong Kong, that was over in 1997, the only surprising thing about HK is that China waited this long to make it better known. Now... The country of Taiwan on the other hand, it’s going to be a bit more tense there for some time. EDIT: Added links from Jan, most videos have been removed but the articles and screenshots are there. The one I specifically wanted was removed from YouTube and I can’t find it, showed a guy being checked by a PPE marshmallow then nearly immediately going into spasms in his car. EDIT2: To whoever might have been upset at my thoughts on Taiwan; I updated it with some italics for you. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus-Disturbing-videos-claim-people-collapsing-Wuhan.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7923981/Coronavirus... https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coronavirus-infected-people-dying-streets-supermarkets-trains-38543 https://www.ibtimes.sg/china-virusnew-videos-wuhan-show-coro... Here is snopes with an eye roll worthy fact check https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavirus/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/people-collapsing-coronavi... “Unproven” ok, thanks for that guys.

justicezyx 5y ago
> Does no one else remember the videos out of China with people laying dead in the streets, falling over as they walked, convulsing behind the steering wheels of cars? Could you provide a link? I never saw such video on YouTube.
- generalizations 5y ago
  I can confirm the videos existed. Saw them when they were posted, back in Jan 2020. They were never on youtube, though, that I'm aware of.
  - carlivar 5y ago
    I saw these too, mostly on Twitter. I shorted Boeing based on them and made some nice money. My friends didn't believe me that this was looking real bad.
    - richrichardsson 5y ago
      > didn't believe me that this was looking real bad I think the problem was the world also didn't believe it. Perhaps if every other country had had the balls to just shut down travel in/out of China for a month or so back at the very start it might never have been so bad. I remember when the very first reports of a novel Coronavirus in Wuhan were making the news that it had the potential to be really bad, but also had some wishful thinking that it was probably just a storm in a teacup.
      - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        Hang on a second, remember Trump was called racist and xenophobic for shutting down travel to China? And how weird that Zuckerburg sent an email to Fauci about vaccine funding and offers of help exactly the same time Nancy’s Pelosi was literally saying come to Chinatown and hug and Asian person. How were they talking about a vaccine at that point? There seems to have been a lot of public and private statements going on, and everyone wants to memoryhole it.
        vkou 5y ago
        I remember when he shut down travel from China... On January 31st. There were ~2k new cases every day, and internal travel was heavily restricted. Meanwhile, it took until March 11th to ban travel from Europe, which at the time was seeing ~10k new cases a day, with full freedom of movement from affected areas to unaffected ones. The problem wasn't that he banned travel from China. The problem is that he didn't ban travel from Europe, until it got way worse than China.

justicezyx 5y ago

> Even if most mainlanders know that their state media is bogus, and that Xi is a dictator I am an ethnic Chinese, I don't see this impression at all. Disclaimer: this is quite normal, China is huge with 1.4b people, there are a lot of social bubbles. And the readers should read this comment and the parent of proving that. Not that this comment or the parent is true.

ngc248 5y ago
Well its turtles all the way isnt it, "And the readers should read this comment and the parent of proving that. Not that this comment or the parent is true.". The same standard would apply to your comment.
- justicezyx 5y ago
  Yes, of course, my comment and the parent are to show that there cannot be a simple truth about a nation with 1.4b people. Realizing that, is the first step to reach any meaningful truth about China. That's true even to native Chinese people. That's even more true to outsiders (obviously).

tfcata 5y ago

You might be ethnically Chinese, but you are probably sided with KMT. Now shut up for good. The US is not going to attack mainland for your worthless lives.

ddalex 5y ago

> blame Italy I would like to remind everybody that this happened in Milano just before the outbreak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_uXF9B4KI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o_uXF9B4KI

CorrectHorseBat 5y ago

Or all the effort to not call it China Virus/Wuhan flu because that's racist and we don't name viruses after places anymore. Virus variants named after places on the other hand are apparently perfectly fine. So we don't have the Chinese virus but we do have British, Brazilian and Indian variants.

bildung 5y ago
Nobody in the world except the US right called it that, and it is indeed uncommon to name viruses after its place of origin.
- zpeti 5y ago
  Literally any new variant has been called by its origin in the last year: -kent/brit variant -indian variant -california variant What are you on about?
  - bildung 5y ago
    > What are you on about? Not those variants, obviously.
- avereveard 5y ago
  Except for the Spanish flu, the Brazilian flu, almost every single mammarenavirus strain...
  - bildung 5y ago
    The Spanish Flu most probably originated in the US, not Spain. Spain just had a pretty free press and published much about it. Never heard about the Brazilian Flu and couldn't find out when and where this was supposed to be, so can't comment here.
    - KMag 5y ago
      The question wasn't historically if the place-of-origin names were accurate. The question was if they were historically common. I think naming diseases after places is a bad practice we should probably do away with, but it certainly has precedent. Offhand, there's also the Marburg virus. My understanding is also that it was unusual to name the Ebola virus after the nearby river instead of the nearby town.

flavius29663 5y ago

That's the weird think about propaganda. Even if you know it's propaganda, it works pretty well when it's heavily pushed. I come from a former communist country, and most people despised the communist party and risked their lives in a revolution. After the revolution, they began to parrot the same talking points the heard in the decades before. Even with all the information we have today, the talking points induced by communist propaganda remain alive.

tim333 5y ago

I'm curious with Wikipedia which is normally neutral but was very anti lab leak in this case, whether China directly had people work as editors there.

guywhocodes 5y ago
Citation Needed