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From my perspective, you didn't address what I said at all and just got extremely emotional very quickly. I venture a guess that you sometimes find these conver

From my perspective, you didn't address what I said at all and just got extremely emotional very quickly. I venture a guess that you sometimes find these conversations frustrating because it is you who isn't listening.

IgorPartola 5y ago
The article you posted and quoted amounted to 1+1=3. How do you expect to have a conversation about it?
- Moodles 5y ago
  Oh, ok. I thought I raised some points that were at least plausible (e.g. transgender women in women's spaces) and then you start ranting about conspiracy theories, mathematics, the president not being able to read, not liking gay people and so on. Where did you see this conversation going? It was just so obviously doomed to fail with your attitude. I hope it felt good to take out some frustrations and now you feel better? But I doubt it. Just some friendly advice man. You goal should be to treat me with respect and try to convince me of your point of view, or at least mutually learn. When you respond like you did, using shame and outrage as an argument tactic, it doesn't work. I just think you're emotional, a bit of a dick and not willing to really engage in a genuine discussion so I just tune out. If anything, it'll just solidify what I think even more because it shows to me you don't have a proper retort.
  - IgorPartola 5y ago
    Look, when you talk about trans women not being allowed in women’s spaces as if it’s even a question, it’s not my job or goal or responsibility to try to convince you that you are wrong. It is exactly the same as if you brought up the voting rights act and wanted to debate whether black people should be allowed in white people’s spaces. What reaction do you expect when you make statements like that?
    - Moodles 5y ago
      No it’s not. Where trans women should be allowed to go is far from decided in our society. Combat sports? Sports generally? Bathrooms? It’s nothing to do with an irrational fear or hatred of people who suffer with gender dysmorphia. Comparing it to black vs white segregation is ludicrous. It seems like a complex question and you just being outraged and wanting to instantly shut down the debate as if I’m a terrible transphobic person is very toxic behaviour. Shaming as an argument tactic might work on weak people when you have backup in the room in places like Berkeley, but it’s bullying. Fact is, it’s far from a consensus in our society, unlike racial segregation. Call me the same as a racist? Fuck off :)
      - IgorPartola 5y ago
        If you feel personally attacked by this, there is probably a reason for it. The question you brought up wasn’t about combat sports. It was about “males who identify as females in women’s spaces”. And the thing is, this is a settled question by and large: it’s none of your business what’s in someone else’s underpants. Oh and give me your lunch money while I’m at it bullying you :). I’m so sorry to hurt your strong person feelings (wait, I thought only Berkeley snowflakes got their feelings hurt/could be bullied). One last bit: body dysmorphia is not a necessary condition to being trans. The way you cast a group of people around that diagnosis does seem to indicate that you see them as damaged and/or sick, which they are not. Trying to sound like you know what you are talking about while clearly having a cable news education on the subject makes you look worse, not better. Good luck and learn to be a better human.
        Moodles 5y ago
        > If you feel personally attacked by this, there is probably a reason for it. I feel personally attacked by it because you literally made a personal attack and said its the same as racial segregation, lol. > The question you brought up wasn’t about combat sports. It was about “males who identify as females in women’s spaces”. Women-only sports is an example of a women-only space. Maybe that's one reason why someone might oppose the Equality Act (besides just hating trans people and homosexuals)? :) > And the thing is, this is a settled question by and large You keep saying this, but It's really not outside of places like California my man. Stop the arguments by made up consensus. 1) It's a bad argument and 2) you don't even have a consensus. > Oh and give me your lunch money while I’m at it bullying you :). I’m so sorry to hurt your strong person feelings (wait, I thought only Berkeley snowflakes got their feelings hurt/could be bullied). I am saying you're not able to bully me with this stupid tactic of shaming and shutting down debate instead of debating. That's why I'm not agreeing with you and told you to fuck off when you called me the same as a racist. But doing what you're doing is what bullies and weak people with weak arguments try to do. > One last bit: body dysmorphia is not a necessary condition to being trans Wisdom! Thanks. Who knew? > The way you cast a group of people around that diagnosis does seem to indicate that you see them as damaged and/or sick, which they are not. It is literally a mental illness to be afflicted with though? It's obviously mental turmoil if you felt like your brain and body did not align in the same gender. The crux of the issue is that you seem to conflate me saying something like this with me also (not) saying "trans people are bad and subhuman". People who are depressed have a mental illness. It's normal, and they're not bad for it. It just happens. I fully expect you to be OUTRAGED by my comment, even though I really don't think it's that outrageous and I have no ill will towards trans people whatsoever. Cue comments such as "do you actually know any trans/black/gay people!?" Yes, actually. Next. You don't win an argument by seeming like you're more compassionate because I really don't think you are. > Trying to sound like you know what you are talking about while clearly having a cable news education on the subject makes you look worse, not better. Okay, good one. > Good luck and learn to be a better human. Yeah, I disagree with you, so I'm not only stupid, but also a bad person. Classic woke arguments lol. I stand by my "fuck off".

IgorPartola 5y ago

The article you posted and quoted amounted to 1+1=3. How do you expect to have a conversation about it?

Moodles 5y ago
Oh, ok. I thought I raised some points that were at least plausible (e.g. transgender women in women's spaces) and then you start ranting about conspiracy theories, mathematics, the president not being able to read, not liking gay people and so on. Where did you see this conversation going? It was just so obviously doomed to fail with your attitude. I hope it felt good to take out some frustrations and now you feel better? But I doubt it. Just some friendly advice man. You goal should be to treat me with respect and try to convince me of your point of view, or at least mutually learn. When you respond like you did, using shame and outrage as an argument tactic, it doesn't work. I just think you're emotional, a bit of a dick and not willing to really engage in a genuine discussion so I just tune out. If anything, it'll just solidify what I think even more because it shows to me you don't have a proper retort.
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  Look, when you talk about trans women not being allowed in women’s spaces as if it’s even a question, it’s not my job or goal or responsibility to try to convince you that you are wrong. It is exactly the same as if you brought up the voting rights act and wanted to debate whether black people should be allowed in white people’s spaces. What reaction do you expect when you make statements like that?
  - Moodles 5y ago
    No it’s not. Where trans women should be allowed to go is far from decided in our society. Combat sports? Sports generally? Bathrooms? It’s nothing to do with an irrational fear or hatred of people who suffer with gender dysmorphia. Comparing it to black vs white segregation is ludicrous. It seems like a complex question and you just being outraged and wanting to instantly shut down the debate as if I’m a terrible transphobic person is very toxic behaviour. Shaming as an argument tactic might work on weak people when you have backup in the room in places like Berkeley, but it’s bullying. Fact is, it’s far from a consensus in our society, unlike racial segregation. Call me the same as a racist? Fuck off :)
    - IgorPartola 5y ago
      If you feel personally attacked by this, there is probably a reason for it. The question you brought up wasn’t about combat sports. It was about “males who identify as females in women’s spaces”. And the thing is, this is a settled question by and large: it’s none of your business what’s in someone else’s underpants. Oh and give me your lunch money while I’m at it bullying you :). I’m so sorry to hurt your strong person feelings (wait, I thought only Berkeley snowflakes got their feelings hurt/could be bullied). One last bit: body dysmorphia is not a necessary condition to being trans. The way you cast a group of people around that diagnosis does seem to indicate that you see them as damaged and/or sick, which they are not. Trying to sound like you know what you are talking about while clearly having a cable news education on the subject makes you look worse, not better. Good luck and learn to be a better human.
      - Moodles 5y ago
        > If you feel personally attacked by this, there is probably a reason for it. I feel personally attacked by it because you literally made a personal attack and said its the same as racial segregation, lol. > The question you brought up wasn’t about combat sports. It was about “males who identify as females in women’s spaces”. Women-only sports is an example of a women-only space. Maybe that's one reason why someone might oppose the Equality Act (besides just hating trans people and homosexuals)? :) > And the thing is, this is a settled question by and large You keep saying this, but It's really not outside of places like California my man. Stop the arguments by made up consensus. 1) It's a bad argument and 2) you don't even have a consensus. > Oh and give me your lunch money while I’m at it bullying you :). I’m so sorry to hurt your strong person feelings (wait, I thought only Berkeley snowflakes got their feelings hurt/could be bullied). I am saying you're not able to bully me with this stupid tactic of shaming and shutting down debate instead of debating. That's why I'm not agreeing with you and told you to fuck off when you called me the same as a racist. But doing what you're doing is what bullies and weak people with weak arguments try to do. > One last bit: body dysmorphia is not a necessary condition to being trans Wisdom! Thanks. Who knew? > The way you cast a group of people around that diagnosis does seem to indicate that you see them as damaged and/or sick, which they are not. It is literally a mental illness to be afflicted with though? It's obviously mental turmoil if you felt like your brain and body did not align in the same gender. The crux of the issue is that you seem to conflate me saying something like this with me also (not) saying "trans people are bad and subhuman". People who are depressed have a mental illness. It's normal, and they're not bad for it. It just happens. I fully expect you to be OUTRAGED by my comment, even though I really don't think it's that outrageous and I have no ill will towards trans people whatsoever. Cue comments such as "do you actually know any trans/black/gay people!?" Yes, actually. Next. You don't win an argument by seeming like you're more compassionate because I really don't think you are. > Trying to sound like you know what you are talking about while clearly having a cable news education on the subject makes you look worse, not better. Okay, good one. > Good luck and learn to be a better human. Yeah, I disagree with you, so I'm not only stupid, but also a bad person. Classic woke arguments lol. I stand by my "fuck off".