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It's a statement of consequences; just "the way the world works." Trust the experts if you've no time for more, but this is the likely result. Put time into y

It's a statement of consequences; just "the way the world works." Trust the experts if you've no time for more, but this is the likely result. Put time into your own research, and maybe you won't be caught off guard.

triceratops 5y ago
> Put time into your own research, and maybe you won't be caught off guard. Why? What guarantees are there that I'll do a better job of research than the experts?
- generalizations 5y ago
  It's not that you discover the One True Truth; it's that you know all the things that might be true. If you listen to the experts, all you hear is one possibility - hope they got it right.
  - triceratops 5y ago
    > If you listen to the experts The "experts" rarely have a unanimous consensus on anything. If you actually listen to all of the experts, you'll hear all of the possibilities. But that still won't tell you who's right and who isn't. On a question like "lab leak or meat market?" the answer isn't of importance to me, or any other average person. It's important for the experts to know the truth, in order to be able to prevent it next time. But other than that, finding someone (or several someones) to pin it on isn't going to give everyone the past 15 months of their lives back.
- timelincoln 5y ago
  I don’t think anyone is suggesting you learn about virology and fly to wuhan and start looking around. Maintaining multiple explanations as possibilities until one is proven, while resisting political tribalism shrouding your view of the truth, is I suppose hard for many people to pull off. But that is what we’re suggesting you try to do, maybe next time we have a global pandemic…
  - triceratops 5y ago
    > Maintaining multiple explanations as possibilities until one is proven Why are you assuming my beliefs on this topic were set in stone previously?
    - timelincoln 5y ago
      I’m not, it’s clear you’re too lazy to even consider anything until it’s kicked down to you by the political machine
      - loopz 5y ago
        In beginning and middle of pandemic energy is better spent on solving the crisis first. Truth is for mortals like a set of possibilities. Here media presented both possibilities and reported usual facts and opinions. As we all know, media often gets thing wrong, as nobody are arbiters of Truth. So one reads it like that. When president turned traitor, that was more damaging than this virus itself.
      - dang 5y ago
        You've broken the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread. Crossing into personal attack is seriously not cool, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. And you broke other guidelines too. I'm not going to ban you because it doesn't seem like this happened before, but we ban accounts that do this kind of thing, so please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        timelincoln 5y ago
        Excuse me, I witness snarky behavior in comments on this site constantly, but thank you for using your power to keep me in line :)
        dang 5y ago
        That is like saying "even though I see other drivers speeding all the time, it's only me ever who gets pulled over." Someone else breaking the rules doesn't make it ok for you to. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20mothers%20two&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. There's far too much content here for us to read it all, or even see it all. People can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=likeliest%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
fma 5y ago
Nah what happens is then people start trusting people who say "don't trust the experts, here's my theory though" and says whatever it takes to get clicks to their YouTube channel.
- generalizations 5y ago
  It's as straightforward a statement as it can get. I don't watch YouTube much, but when I read threads on this kind of stuff, that's the mantra: here's what I found, here's what I think, go do your own research.
calsy 5y ago
Yes trust the experts if you cant run your own experts. You know the people who can be easily influenced by funding sources, political pressure and their own need for validation and success. If there is anything we have learnt is that 'Authority is Truth' and no one in positions of Authority or 'experts' has ever deceived the public.
chrischen 5y ago
I'm still trusting the experts, and the experts are changing their minds. Nothing is going wrong here...

triceratops 5y ago

> Put time into your own research, and maybe you won't be caught off guard. Why? What guarantees are there that I'll do a better job of research than the experts?

generalizations 5y ago
It's not that you discover the One True Truth; it's that you know all the things that might be true. If you listen to the experts, all you hear is one possibility - hope they got it right.
- triceratops 5y ago
  > If you listen to the experts The "experts" rarely have a unanimous consensus on anything. If you actually listen to all of the experts, you'll hear all of the possibilities. But that still won't tell you who's right and who isn't. On a question like "lab leak or meat market?" the answer isn't of importance to me, or any other average person. It's important for the experts to know the truth, in order to be able to prevent it next time. But other than that, finding someone (or several someones) to pin it on isn't going to give everyone the past 15 months of their lives back.
timelincoln 5y ago
I don’t think anyone is suggesting you learn about virology and fly to wuhan and start looking around. Maintaining multiple explanations as possibilities until one is proven, while resisting political tribalism shrouding your view of the truth, is I suppose hard for many people to pull off. But that is what we’re suggesting you try to do, maybe next time we have a global pandemic…
- triceratops 5y ago
  > Maintaining multiple explanations as possibilities until one is proven Why are you assuming my beliefs on this topic were set in stone previously?
  - timelincoln 5y ago
    I’m not, it’s clear you’re too lazy to even consider anything until it’s kicked down to you by the political machine
    - loopz 5y ago
      In beginning and middle of pandemic energy is better spent on solving the crisis first. Truth is for mortals like a set of possibilities. Here media presented both possibilities and reported usual facts and opinions. As we all know, media often gets thing wrong, as nobody are arbiters of Truth. So one reads it like that. When president turned traitor, that was more damaging than this virus itself.
    - dang 5y ago
      You've broken the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread. Crossing into personal attack is seriously not cool, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. And you broke other guidelines too. I'm not going to ban you because it doesn't seem like this happened before, but we ban accounts that do this kind of thing, so please don't do it again. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - timelincoln 5y ago
        Excuse me, I witness snarky behavior in comments on this site constantly, but thank you for using your power to keep me in line :)
        dang 5y ago
        That is like saying "even though I see other drivers speeding all the time, it's only me ever who gets pulled over." Someone else breaking the rules doesn't make it ok for you to. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20mothers%20two&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. There's far too much content here for us to read it all, or even see it all. People can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=likeliest%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

fma 5y ago

Nah what happens is then people start trusting people who say "don't trust the experts, here's my theory though" and says whatever it takes to get clicks to their YouTube channel.

generalizations 5y ago
It's as straightforward a statement as it can get. I don't watch YouTube much, but when I read threads on this kind of stuff, that's the mantra: here's what I found, here's what I think, go do your own research.

calsy 5y ago

Yes trust the experts if you cant run your own experts. You know the people who can be easily influenced by funding sources, political pressure and their own need for validation and success. If there is anything we have learnt is that 'Authority is Truth' and no one in positions of Authority or 'experts' has ever deceived the public.

chrischen 5y ago

I'm still trusting the experts, and the experts are changing their minds. Nothing is going wrong here...