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With a battery swap out model, you could have spots where you pull in and swap a drained / semi-drained battery (or batteries) for a fully charged one. Maybe li

With a battery swap out model, you could have spots where you pull in and swap a drained / semi-drained battery (or batteries) for a fully charged one. Maybe like the way it's done with propane tanks in some places, but more complicated. Quality control, general standardization and ease of access would need to be solved, but if done right this could be automated by pulling up to a vending machine and maybe eventually (super futuristic) on the fly like the way they can do in-flight fueling for aircraft. The initial overhead could be worth it to not sit around charging, but I could also see other interests winning out here (bored people spend money, standardization isn't necessarily win-win, enabling third party service is less profitable for the car makers, &c).

bsder 5y ago
> With a battery swap out model No consumer is ever going to agree to this psychologically, so I wish people would stop pushing it. No one is going to agree to swap the pristine battery in their new car with a reconditioned battery (at best) at a charging stop.
- alexanderdmitri 5y ago
  Eh, I think it depends on how the technology advances and if the battery remains a primary feature going forwards. We already have lots of battery powered devices and device consumption of battery energy could just as easily become the place to optimize. It's the primary hurdle now for EVs, but when people swap the AAs in their devices, I hardly can imagine anyone feeling as if they're degrading the product. I imagine in this scenario, quality control and branding would still play a pretty big part of the process as well.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > No consumer is ever going to agree to this psychologically Nio has done over two million battery swaps: https://www.nio.com/blog/nio-completes-2000000-battery-swaps https://www.nio.com/blog/nio-completes-2000000-battery-swaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw Ample wants to do the same but with fleet cars at first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl5UJQzP7NE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl5UJQzP7NE
  - dawnerd 5y ago
    I was just going to say this. It’s a model that’s already working and expanding. It makes so much sense esp. for smaller commuter cars.
- pengaru 5y ago
  > No one is going to agree to swap the pristine battery in their new car with a reconditioned battery (at best) at a charging stop. They might if they never owned a battery in the first place. I certainly am not particularly interested in owning a massive expensive wear item of almost certainly soon to be obsolete technology. In a world with standardized batteries that are easily swappable at a dedicated facility like an EV jiffy lube, it doesn't take much imagination to see your EV delivered with one of EV jiffy lube's swaps preinstalled and all priced accordingly.
arduinomancer 5y ago
I could see both swap/charge existing at the same time. As in ideally you use swap but you can also charge if you're in a pinch. But not for a long time, the swapping infrastructure would likely be really expensive to build, so you'd need a lot of users to make it worth it.

bsder 5y ago

> With a battery swap out model No consumer is ever going to agree to this psychologically, so I wish people would stop pushing it. No one is going to agree to swap the pristine battery in their new car with a reconditioned battery (at best) at a charging stop.

alexanderdmitri 5y ago
Eh, I think it depends on how the technology advances and if the battery remains a primary feature going forwards. We already have lots of battery powered devices and device consumption of battery energy could just as easily become the place to optimize. It's the primary hurdle now for EVs, but when people swap the AAs in their devices, I hardly can imagine anyone feeling as if they're degrading the product. I imagine in this scenario, quality control and branding would still play a pretty big part of the process as well.
clouddrover 5y ago
> No consumer is ever going to agree to this psychologically Nio has done over two million battery swaps: https://www.nio.com/blog/nio-completes-2000000-battery-swaps https://www.nio.com/blog/nio-completes-2000000-battery-swaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTsrDpsYHrw Ample wants to do the same but with fleet cars at first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl5UJQzP7NE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl5UJQzP7NE
- dawnerd 5y ago
  I was just going to say this. It’s a model that’s already working and expanding. It makes so much sense esp. for smaller commuter cars.
pengaru 5y ago
> No one is going to agree to swap the pristine battery in their new car with a reconditioned battery (at best) at a charging stop. They might if they never owned a battery in the first place. I certainly am not particularly interested in owning a massive expensive wear item of almost certainly soon to be obsolete technology. In a world with standardized batteries that are easily swappable at a dedicated facility like an EV jiffy lube, it doesn't take much imagination to see your EV delivered with one of EV jiffy lube's swaps preinstalled and all priced accordingly.

arduinomancer 5y ago

I could see both swap/charge existing at the same time. As in ideally you use swap but you can also charge if you're in a pinch. But not for a long time, the swapping infrastructure would likely be really expensive to build, so you'd need a lot of users to make it worth it.