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Now that Facebook actually has something to worry about slightly, it's kind of cool watching Facebook and Google both scramble to win over the users with these

by agscala 15y ago

Now that Facebook actually has something to worry about slightly, it's kind of cool watching Facebook and Google both scramble to win over the users with these awesome A+ features one after another.

jonnathanson 15y ago
I am actually hoping that Google resists the temptation to fight a war of feature creep with Facebook. In fact, the sum total of my enjoyment of G+ has come from the cleanliness and austerity of its UX (well, maybe combined with the refreshing Circles concept -- but that's arguably a "cleanliness" measure of a different sort). Personally speaking, I'm totally comfortable with a social network as simply a credentialing and sharing layer running through my other experiences and touchpoints on the web. I don't need everything in one place. I am willing to admit that I might be an odd man out on this sentiment, however.
- thomaslangston 15y ago
  Count two odd men out. My ideal social network is a Rolodex on steroids. Just a global, searchable, tagged index that I can pull from for all my apps.
  - farnsworth 15y ago
    Yes, it would be great if we could separate the social infrastructure from the social apps. If Facebook ever goes under or out of style, we'll lose the graph of everything that's been put on it. But if we had an infrastructure of just a "Rolodex on steroids" that the Facebooks, Google+s, even Youtubes, etc. could build on, that would never be a problem. When you buy a new phone, you don't have to recompile a phonebook.
    - deleted 15y ago
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  - jokermatt999 15y ago
    That sounds like Google Contacts, but I'm not sure if it's taggable. It's what Google uses to automatically bring up your contacts when you activate a new Android phone, suggest friends in G+, and emails in GMail. Edit: It is taggable, sort of. Head to contacts.google.com and you can search your contacts, as well as place things in a "Notes" field. There's also groups, but I don't know if they're one per contact or labelable.
    - mh- 15y ago
      groups are many to many, just like gmail labels.
    - thomaslangston 15y ago
      Oh I make frequent use of Google Contacts. The high order bit that makes social networks a better Rolodex is that the contact takes some onus in keeping their contact and profile information up to date.
  - niels_olson 15y ago
    I have yet to find a compelling use case, personally, for Facebook as something other than a Rolodex. Which is why LinkedIn seems redundant to me. I think my brain must be lacking some wires. I just don't get it. My wife does. But I don't.
    - Apocryphon 15y ago
      You seem to be someone who does not feel a need to post your photos, videos, and daily statuses to share with others in your social circle. This is actually a good thing, especially when the endtime comes and all of these companies exploit the information that the rest of us are willingly putting on their servers.
  - sushrutbidwai 15y ago
    you may want to try out http://prolinkd.com http://prolinkd.com then. It runs on top of Linkedin and provides most of the things you are looking for.
- kelnos 15y ago
  Ignoring the issue of user network adoption, I would love to drop Facebook in favor of G+. But I can't until G+ at least replicates some things it's missing from FB, like Events, and possibly better one-on-one messaging (which I would hope would take the form of email backed by GMail, just as G+ photo sharing is backed by Picasa), and some form of groups/shared circles. But agreed in that I don't want to see G+ succumb to feature-creep. While I do want to see some sort of API/platform to build stuff, if G+ gets crapped on with Zynga-madness, it'll make me cry.
  - alexsb92 15y ago
    We all know Games are going to get to Google+[1]. Plus, Google is an investor in Zynga, so it only makes sense. [1]- http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/google-code-reveals-intent-to-unleash-games-and-questions-to-th/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/google-code-reveals-inten...
  - chrischen 15y ago
    >which I would hope would take the form of email backed by GMail, That's exactly how their one-on-one messaging works. They have google talk but if you go to a user's profile, the message button is really an email button.
    - uniclaude 15y ago
      True, but the fact that this button is disabled by default (or at least it was for my own profile) will make mass adoption difficult. People may wonder "how do I send a message to my mum easily ?".
  - thristian 15y ago
    Events? You mean, Google Calendar?
- roundsquare 15y ago
  I think there is a good chance of google resisting this since they can add the features through other (integrated) apps. Why have messaging when you have GMail? Why have events when you have Google Calendar? Etc...
kerryfalk 15y ago
It's interesting to watch but I wonder if it's a healthy practice. I don't see many high-performers quickly reacting to competitor's advances. It signals a greater focus on what others are doing than what the customers need. HP added bling to their laptops, Apple did nothing. Reading about the "Lockdowns" at Facebook in response to perceived emergencies in the market makes me feel like there's some knee-jerk reactions happening. Or at least this is how it looks from a distance, I am nowhere close to any of the players in the thick of it. In the end someone who serves a need not currently being filled will win and they'll keep winning if they keep up with how the needs of the market are changing. That's what Facebook did to MySpace and that's what ACME CO will do to Facebook when they stop filling the needs of the market. Call me crazy but this seems like a very good time to get into the fight.

by agscala 15y ago

Now that Facebook actually has something to worry about slightly, it's kind of cool watching Facebook and Google both scramble to win over the users with these awesome A+ features one after another.

jonnathanson 15y ago

I am actually hoping that Google resists the temptation to fight a war of feature creep with Facebook. In fact, the sum total of my enjoyment of G+ has come from the cleanliness and austerity of its UX (well, maybe combined with the refreshing Circles concept -- but that's arguably a "cleanliness" measure of a different sort). Personally speaking, I'm totally comfortable with a social network as simply a credentialing and sharing layer running through my other experiences and touchpoints on the web. I don't need everything in one place. I am willing to admit that I might be an odd man out on this sentiment, however.

thomaslangston 15y ago
Count two odd men out. My ideal social network is a Rolodex on steroids. Just a global, searchable, tagged index that I can pull from for all my apps.
- farnsworth 15y ago
  Yes, it would be great if we could separate the social infrastructure from the social apps. If Facebook ever goes under or out of style, we'll lose the graph of everything that's been put on it. But if we had an infrastructure of just a "Rolodex on steroids" that the Facebooks, Google+s, even Youtubes, etc. could build on, that would never be a problem. When you buy a new phone, you don't have to recompile a phonebook.
  - deleted 15y ago
    [deleted]
- jokermatt999 15y ago
  That sounds like Google Contacts, but I'm not sure if it's taggable. It's what Google uses to automatically bring up your contacts when you activate a new Android phone, suggest friends in G+, and emails in GMail. Edit: It is taggable, sort of. Head to contacts.google.com and you can search your contacts, as well as place things in a "Notes" field. There's also groups, but I don't know if they're one per contact or labelable.
  - mh- 15y ago
    groups are many to many, just like gmail labels.
  - thomaslangston 15y ago
    Oh I make frequent use of Google Contacts. The high order bit that makes social networks a better Rolodex is that the contact takes some onus in keeping their contact and profile information up to date.
- niels_olson 15y ago
  I have yet to find a compelling use case, personally, for Facebook as something other than a Rolodex. Which is why LinkedIn seems redundant to me. I think my brain must be lacking some wires. I just don't get it. My wife does. But I don't.
  - Apocryphon 15y ago
    You seem to be someone who does not feel a need to post your photos, videos, and daily statuses to share with others in your social circle. This is actually a good thing, especially when the endtime comes and all of these companies exploit the information that the rest of us are willingly putting on their servers.
- sushrutbidwai 15y ago
  you may want to try out http://prolinkd.com http://prolinkd.com then. It runs on top of Linkedin and provides most of the things you are looking for.
kelnos 15y ago
Ignoring the issue of user network adoption, I would love to drop Facebook in favor of G+. But I can't until G+ at least replicates some things it's missing from FB, like Events, and possibly better one-on-one messaging (which I would hope would take the form of email backed by GMail, just as G+ photo sharing is backed by Picasa), and some form of groups/shared circles. But agreed in that I don't want to see G+ succumb to feature-creep. While I do want to see some sort of API/platform to build stuff, if G+ gets crapped on with Zynga-madness, it'll make me cry.
- alexsb92 15y ago
  We all know Games are going to get to Google+[1]. Plus, Google is an investor in Zynga, so it only makes sense. [1]- http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/google-code-reveals-intent-to-unleash-games-and-questions-to-th/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/30/google-code-reveals-inten...
- chrischen 15y ago
  >which I would hope would take the form of email backed by GMail, That's exactly how their one-on-one messaging works. They have google talk but if you go to a user's profile, the message button is really an email button.
  - uniclaude 15y ago
    True, but the fact that this button is disabled by default (or at least it was for my own profile) will make mass adoption difficult. People may wonder "how do I send a message to my mum easily ?".
- thristian 15y ago
  Events? You mean, Google Calendar?
roundsquare 15y ago
I think there is a good chance of google resisting this since they can add the features through other (integrated) apps. Why have messaging when you have GMail? Why have events when you have Google Calendar? Etc...

kerryfalk 15y ago

It's interesting to watch but I wonder if it's a healthy practice. I don't see many high-performers quickly reacting to competitor's advances. It signals a greater focus on what others are doing than what the customers need. HP added bling to their laptops, Apple did nothing. Reading about the "Lockdowns" at Facebook in response to perceived emergencies in the market makes me feel like there's some knee-jerk reactions happening. Or at least this is how it looks from a distance, I am nowhere close to any of the players in the thick of it. In the end someone who serves a need not currently being filled will win and they'll keep winning if they keep up with how the needs of the market are changing. That's what Facebook did to MySpace and that's what ACME CO will do to Facebook when they stop filling the needs of the market. Call me crazy but this seems like a very good time to get into the fight.