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I wasn't talking about what all offices are, but about what some of them can be. It is clear that many offices are dull hives that suck the life out of their o

I wasn't talking about what all offices are, but about what some of them can be. It is clear that many offices are dull hives that suck the life out of their occupants. But why be in such office? Why should someone have a job just to get a paycheck, getting miserable in return? There are always options. To look at it from a different side, office is a tool, which, used correctly, can give a tremendous boost to productivity. But it is not a given. It has natural advantage - like physical proximity between people and disadvantages - the need to commute being one of them.

bluefirebrand 5y ago
Again, this strikes me as an extremely romanticized view of life and employment. > Why should someone have a job just to get a paycheck Because we need some amount of money to survive in our society and we need lots of it to thrive in our society. > There are always options. Not really. There are always options if you have highly in demand skills with no external responsibilities that prevent you from relocating to better work or risking a job change. Most average office workers cannot risk a job change (because job changes ARE risky) due to family or other responsibilities. They also don't possess terribly in-demand skills. > office is a tool, which, used correctly, can give a tremendous boost to productivity This is employer talk. It's unclear to me why a worker should care about their productivity more than their paycheque, or their comfort, or their time spent commuting. > It has natural advantage - like physical proximity between people This has just as much potential to hurt productivity because the #1 timewaster at offices is other people.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  > They also don't possess terribly in-demand skills. Such workers shouldn't be calling BS on their leaders on return to offices, they should keep their heads down and do as they told. Regarding your points about needing money, the audience here is blessed to be in such high demand, that they can freely choose projects and leadership they like. We have just one life, why earn money doing something that you don't love?
  - bluefirebrand 5y ago
    > Such workers shouldn't be calling BS on their leaders on return to offices, they should keep their heads down and do as they told. So people shouldn't have any say just because they have lesser in-demand skills? Note that I didn't say these people were useless, they fulfill some role, just one that could easily be done by many others. They might be extremely loyal, productive people who just want to continue working from home for whatever reason but because their skills are less in-demand, they should shut up and do as they're told? Wow dude.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      > So people shouldn't have any say just because they have lesser in-demand skills? Actually, yes, that's how it works. If you are valuable and hard to replace, management has to account your desires and listen to your feedback, allowing work from home, 3 month vacations, and even for you 'calling out their BS', if you are very valuable. Because your skills are the leverage you have over management. If you can be replaced easily without much cost, then you don't have leverage, and you are in no position to oppose your bosses. More so, if you are economically dependent on this job and you know that you wouldn't be able to find a new job easily, the situation is even worse because your bosses have very big leverage over you. If management says, 'working from the office', such workers can only say 'sir yes sir!', and do as they are told. That's how it works in real life, and it is natural, so wow dude yourself. However, every non-mentally impaired person is gifted with a capability to learn and acquire new skills, greatly increasing own worth at a workplace and improving job prospects.

bluefirebrand 5y ago

Again, this strikes me as an extremely romanticized view of life and employment. > Why should someone have a job just to get a paycheck Because we need some amount of money to survive in our society and we need lots of it to thrive in our society. > There are always options. Not really. There are always options if you have highly in demand skills with no external responsibilities that prevent you from relocating to better work or risking a job change. Most average office workers cannot risk a job change (because job changes ARE risky) due to family or other responsibilities. They also don't possess terribly in-demand skills. > office is a tool, which, used correctly, can give a tremendous boost to productivity This is employer talk. It's unclear to me why a worker should care about their productivity more than their paycheque, or their comfort, or their time spent commuting. > It has natural advantage - like physical proximity between people This has just as much potential to hurt productivity because the #1 timewaster at offices is other people.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
> They also don't possess terribly in-demand skills. Such workers shouldn't be calling BS on their leaders on return to offices, they should keep their heads down and do as they told. Regarding your points about needing money, the audience here is blessed to be in such high demand, that they can freely choose projects and leadership they like. We have just one life, why earn money doing something that you don't love?
- bluefirebrand 5y ago
  > Such workers shouldn't be calling BS on their leaders on return to offices, they should keep their heads down and do as they told. So people shouldn't have any say just because they have lesser in-demand skills? Note that I didn't say these people were useless, they fulfill some role, just one that could easily be done by many others. They might be extremely loyal, productive people who just want to continue working from home for whatever reason but because their skills are less in-demand, they should shut up and do as they're told? Wow dude.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    > So people shouldn't have any say just because they have lesser in-demand skills? Actually, yes, that's how it works. If you are valuable and hard to replace, management has to account your desires and listen to your feedback, allowing work from home, 3 month vacations, and even for you 'calling out their BS', if you are very valuable. Because your skills are the leverage you have over management. If you can be replaced easily without much cost, then you don't have leverage, and you are in no position to oppose your bosses. More so, if you are economically dependent on this job and you know that you wouldn't be able to find a new job easily, the situation is even worse because your bosses have very big leverage over you. If management says, 'working from the office', such workers can only say 'sir yes sir!', and do as they are told. That's how it works in real life, and it is natural, so wow dude yourself. However, every non-mentally impaired person is gifted with a capability to learn and acquire new skills, greatly increasing own worth at a workplace and improving job prospects.