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I won't argue with this being a difficult issue, but I also want to push back a little bit on this notion that forcing people into a situation is a totally net

by zucked 5y ago

I won't argue with this being a difficult issue, but I also want to push back a little bit on this notion that forcing people into a situation is a totally net bad thing. As an adult, you have precious few opportunities to make lasting, deep friendships. I consider myself an outgoing person with lots of shallow friendships, but my best, deepest friends are still the ones from High School, College, and the surrounding activities -- places I was, more or less, forced to be. Being forced to be somewhere, be it the office, your college dorm, or the US West coast, gives you a sense of shared experience. Is it ideal? Maybe not, but a lot of people are, for better or worse, forced into experiences that (can) lead to deep and lasting friendships. Candidly, I actually miss the office, even with all its warts. It builds a shared experience that is difficult to replicate digitally. I can see it in the faces of new hires since WFH started - despite best attempts at inclusion, they're still a little bit on the outside looking in.

nathanaldensr 5y ago
To be frank, my life energy is not yours to consume. Your "shared experience" requires interaction from others, many of whom do not want to be giving it. Your perspective of "being forced to be somewhere" as a positive thing is selfish and unempathetic.
antonvs 5y ago
> I also want to push back a little bit on this notion that forcing people into a situation is a totally net bad thing. Hey brother! I think slavery was a good idea too. The South will rise again! Seriously, that looks like some major Stockholm syndrome you have going there. Let's say you didn't have to go into the office every day. That gives you more time to socialize in your community. You can volunteer, take classes, go to a bar or club, whatever. If you want some sort of "hair shirt" experience, you can choose that. I once volunteered at a long term care facility to teach the residents about computers, computer programming, etc. It was fascinating because in doing that, you find people with those inclinations who may not have had the opportunity during their working lives to learn about such things. If you need to "be forced" to do things, I guess you do you. But that's something you really shouldn't be projecting onto other people.

by zucked 5y ago

nathanaldensr 5y ago

To be frank, my life energy is not yours to consume. Your "shared experience" requires interaction from others, many of whom do not want to be giving it. Your perspective of "being forced to be somewhere" as a positive thing is selfish and unempathetic.

antonvs 5y ago

> I also want to push back a little bit on this notion that forcing people into a situation is a totally net bad thing. Hey brother! I think slavery was a good idea too. The South will rise again! Seriously, that looks like some major Stockholm syndrome you have going there. Let's say you didn't have to go into the office every day. That gives you more time to socialize in your community. You can volunteer, take classes, go to a bar or club, whatever. If you want some sort of "hair shirt" experience, you can choose that. I once volunteered at a long term care facility to teach the residents about computers, computer programming, etc. It was fascinating because in doing that, you find people with those inclinations who may not have had the opportunity during their working lives to learn about such things. If you need to "be forced" to do things, I guess you do you. But that's something you really shouldn't be projecting onto other people.