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Try living in New York City, the whole tristate, not just Manhattan. 3 to 4 times a year is laughable. Try 30 to 40 times a year if you take the Belt Parkway.

Try living in New York City, the whole tristate, not just Manhattan. 3 to 4 times a year is laughable. Try 30 to 40 times a year if you take the Belt Parkway. I used to live in LA where Santa Monica Blvd was always backed up. I doubt LA traffic has gotten better either. I'm surprised by your insolence with regard to how shitty traffic circumstances are in big cities. Simply changing one's commuting times doesn't failsafe the issue.

oh_sigh 5y ago
30-40 times a year if you own a car and drive it regularly. That's why > 50% of households in NYC don't own a car.
- greenyoda 5y ago
  Large parts of NYC (much of the outer boroughs) are not near the subway, and not within walking distance of a supermarket (especially if you're carrying groceries for an entire family). Millions of people live there because they can't afford Manhattan rents, especially for a family-sized apartment. Also, transit lines tend to connect well to mid-Manhattan but poorly between other locations. So if you live in Queens and work in Brooklyn, good luck getting to work reliably by public transportation. (Before you object to that arrangement, consider: If you own a house and have kids in school, you're not necessarily going to uproot your family and move just because your new job is further from home.) Thus, many ordinary New Yorkers rely on cars to commute to work.
  - runarberg 5y ago
    I did a quick google map survey and found that it can take about an hour to commute on public transit between a residential area in Queens and to a commercial area in Brooklyn[1]. Not ideal until you see that driving the same route takes about 40 min. So not a huge different and definitely passes as an alternative to avoid the risk of stop-and-go traffic jams. If you need to drive to the supermarket you should have the option of choosing a time and route with minimal risk of traffic jams. I find it hard to belief that many people are frequently hitting bumper to bumper traffics on their way to or from the supermarket. Occupationally yes, but frequently no. 1: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/84-25+168th+Pl,+Jamaica,+NY+11432/40.6898331,-73.9841627/@40.7224733,-73.9667156,12z/data=!4m10!4m9!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c260e26885771b:0x82f67a6b6f1ef4a1!2m2!1d-73.796103!2d40.715401!1m0!3e3!5i3 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/84-25+168th+Pl,+Jamaica,+NY+...
  - goldenkey 5y ago
    Some parts of Brooklyn are much nicer than the ratnest known as Manhattan. Manhattan is so overcrowded. It's a bad place to raise a family. Someone can literally shoot or stab you in broad daylight and easily get away with it. All they have to do is merge into the crowds of pedestrians. Then perhaps they descend into one of the many subway lines, conveniently escaping, scot-free.
  - wkearney99 5y ago
    when first living in NYC I had a station wagon, previously gifted to me. Not being from the area I couldn't believe there wasn't a decent supermarket. I had another friend out in Long Island near one. I got several Manhattanite friends to come along, none having ever driven. The experience was hilarious, all around. From the traffic, the experience of a wallowing beast of a Pontiac wagon on the LIE, and then the best part, one guy who'd literally NEVER left the City absolutely MARVELED at the selections as the store. Notable quotes being "I've only seen this brand on TV!" and "How could anyone EVER need a TWO-GALLON SIZE tub of laundry detergent?"
- goldenkey 5y ago
  82.2% of Staten Island own at least one vehicle. Averages aren't the greatest summary statistics.. The population of the tristate is nearly 20 million. Even a tenth of that is a lot of cars on the road.
runarberg 5y ago
This question was specifically addressed to those that have the option of avoiding it and still don’t. I was under the impression that there were several options of escaping bumper to bumper traffic on your daily commute in the New York City area. In fact I’ve often heard people from that area complain more often about lack of parking near their commuter rail station. Which indicates that people do rather tolerate circling the parking lot in their park-and-ride rather then risking stop-and-go traffic jams.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  What do you mean by "have the option?" There is not an option to avoid the random traffic bottlenecks causes by construction, accidents, road closures, and just generally poor infrastructures and even worse drivers. The traffic lights have also been increased in both count and magnitude to induce even more delay. The speed limits have been lowered. The road conditions are abysmal, potholes, cracks, and unevenness abound. You know nothing Jon Snow.

oh_sigh 5y ago

30-40 times a year if you own a car and drive it regularly. That's why > 50% of households in NYC don't own a car.

greenyoda 5y ago
Large parts of NYC (much of the outer boroughs) are not near the subway, and not within walking distance of a supermarket (especially if you're carrying groceries for an entire family). Millions of people live there because they can't afford Manhattan rents, especially for a family-sized apartment. Also, transit lines tend to connect well to mid-Manhattan but poorly between other locations. So if you live in Queens and work in Brooklyn, good luck getting to work reliably by public transportation. (Before you object to that arrangement, consider: If you own a house and have kids in school, you're not necessarily going to uproot your family and move just because your new job is further from home.) Thus, many ordinary New Yorkers rely on cars to commute to work.
- runarberg 5y ago
  I did a quick google map survey and found that it can take about an hour to commute on public transit between a residential area in Queens and to a commercial area in Brooklyn[1]. Not ideal until you see that driving the same route takes about 40 min. So not a huge different and definitely passes as an alternative to avoid the risk of stop-and-go traffic jams. If you need to drive to the supermarket you should have the option of choosing a time and route with minimal risk of traffic jams. I find it hard to belief that many people are frequently hitting bumper to bumper traffics on their way to or from the supermarket. Occupationally yes, but frequently no. 1: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/84-25+168th+Pl,+Jamaica,+NY+11432/40.6898331,-73.9841627/@40.7224733,-73.9667156,12z/data=!4m10!4m9!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c260e26885771b:0x82f67a6b6f1ef4a1!2m2!1d-73.796103!2d40.715401!1m0!3e3!5i3 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/84-25+168th+Pl,+Jamaica,+NY+...
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Some parts of Brooklyn are much nicer than the ratnest known as Manhattan. Manhattan is so overcrowded. It's a bad place to raise a family. Someone can literally shoot or stab you in broad daylight and easily get away with it. All they have to do is merge into the crowds of pedestrians. Then perhaps they descend into one of the many subway lines, conveniently escaping, scot-free.
- wkearney99 5y ago
  when first living in NYC I had a station wagon, previously gifted to me. Not being from the area I couldn't believe there wasn't a decent supermarket. I had another friend out in Long Island near one. I got several Manhattanite friends to come along, none having ever driven. The experience was hilarious, all around. From the traffic, the experience of a wallowing beast of a Pontiac wagon on the LIE, and then the best part, one guy who'd literally NEVER left the City absolutely MARVELED at the selections as the store. Notable quotes being "I've only seen this brand on TV!" and "How could anyone EVER need a TWO-GALLON SIZE tub of laundry detergent?"
goldenkey 5y ago
82.2% of Staten Island own at least one vehicle. Averages aren't the greatest summary statistics.. The population of the tristate is nearly 20 million. Even a tenth of that is a lot of cars on the road.

runarberg 5y ago

This question was specifically addressed to those that have the option of avoiding it and still don’t. I was under the impression that there were several options of escaping bumper to bumper traffic on your daily commute in the New York City area. In fact I’ve often heard people from that area complain more often about lack of parking near their commuter rail station. Which indicates that people do rather tolerate circling the parking lot in their park-and-ride rather then risking stop-and-go traffic jams.

goldenkey 5y ago
What do you mean by "have the option?" There is not an option to avoid the random traffic bottlenecks causes by construction, accidents, road closures, and just generally poor infrastructures and even worse drivers. The traffic lights have also been increased in both count and magnitude to induce even more delay. The speed limits have been lowered. The road conditions are abysmal, potholes, cracks, and unevenness abound. You know nothing Jon Snow.