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I actually don’t want autopilot for the fast, freeway speed driving. That’s easy. I want it for the mundane, exhausting stop-and-go, bumper to bumper traffic as

I actually don’t want autopilot for the fast, freeway speed driving. That’s easy. I want it for the mundane, exhausting stop-and-go, bumper to bumper traffic as we all slowly creep through the traffic.

asdff 5y ago
There are already cruise control systems that do this for you
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- ed25519FUUU 5y ago
  They don’t typically work below 25 MPH, and definitely don’t stop and go and keep you within the lane.
  - mbell 5y ago
    That was true of older systems, most newer adaptive cruise control systems I've used have no issue with stop and go traffic.
    - sarajevo 5y ago
      A Model 3 owner confirms this...
  - haliskerbas 5y ago
    I believe this one does all of those: https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/animation/pcspd https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/animation/pcspd
  - belltaco 5y ago
    I think only the new Honda L3 system(only on one very limited edition car in Japan) and a Subaru tech on some mainstream cars(in the US too) have this capability.
  - jannyfer 5y ago
    Just off the top of my head - Honda Sensing works in stop-and-go traffic and keeps you within the lane.
    - ipsum2 5y ago
      Honda Sense lane keeping is only for > 40mph. In addition, you need to press a button if the vehicle completely stops.
      - ngokevin 5y ago
        Subaru Eyesight goes down to zero and handles stop and go with lane centering. Though I guess provided you've started the adaptive cruise control system above the minimum speed.
        rwiggum 5y ago
        It's not smooth though. Once traffic starts again, Eyesight accelerates hard and then brakes hard when it get up to the car, because it's using cruise control and trying get up to speed and there is a minimum speed (25mph? maybe 10mph? i forget) to set the cruise control.
        ngokevin 5y ago
        You could try setting the acceleration curve (eco/gentle) and increase the follow distance.
      - dole 5y ago
        Not sure if it’s different now, but older models activated Lane Keeping Assist at 45mph and keeps lanes down to 40, and always seems to be just out of reach of usefulness in the city, perhaps by design. LKA is just that, an assist, because if you let it drive it’ll bounce back and forth between the lane markers, not keep you seemingly centered.
  - codeulike 5y ago
    My Kia EV does exactly this, and is fairly competent at it.
  - rad_gruchalski 5y ago
    My BMW 5 series does that. Huh. That's only when I ever use it.
  - failwhaleshark 5y ago
    My mom's Subaru Forester does hands-off stop-and-go traffic from 0 to 90 mph. It has 2 cameras and does lane departure too. It will even activate antilock breaks if it needs to panic stop. Hyundais have exceptionally-good lane-following.
  - nethunters 5y ago
    My Toyota Corolla with Toyota Safety Sense 2.0 (fitted in nearly every Toyota post 2018/2019) has stop and start, either press resume if you've stopped for more than 5 seconds or tap the accelerator, and that's with lane tracing assist as well. I don't think there's a second I don't have both Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Tracing Assist activated. Edit: You can also accelerate without disabling it.
    - asdff 5y ago
      I feel like I missed a huge generational gap driving a 2017 toyota. None of this lane assist, no backup camera, the only new bell and whistle I get that's different from my car 20 years ago is that this one beeps at me like I have a missile locked on my tail when someone is too close in front of me.
      - nethunters 5y ago
        Best part is it's standard on nearly every model. I don't think there's a minute when I don't have it enabled and it's full range so works at any speed and road. The millimetre wave radar is great when road markings aren't visible or when cars are manoeuvring around parked cars or other obstacles.
  - spockz 5y ago
    Most cars support this here in Europe at least. However true traffic jam assist seems reserved for cars with automatic gears.
    - jagger27 5y ago
      Naturally. In my manual North American market Miata I have basic cruise control but if you touch the clutch or gear selector it disengages cruise. I can’t imagine a safe system that would work in stop and go traffic with a manual transmission.
      - psychomugs 5y ago
        Cruise control in a manual Miata feels only slightly less wrong than an automatic Miata. Or maybe I'm just salty that my cruise control has never worked.
        jagger27 5y ago
        I only use it in the rare times I'm driving on a quiet highway for long multi-hour stretches. That's definitely not my preferred way of driving, as I usually trade around a half hour of extra travel time to take more winding, fun, and scenic routes.
      - oxfeed65261 5y ago
        The current VW Golf R has adaptive cruise control available with the manual transmission. I test-drove one. Not sure whether it does stop-start or whether this applies to other trim levels. Unfortunately it was not available yet when I got my 2015.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    > They don’t typically work below 25 MPH, and definitely don’t stop and go and keep you within the lane. Eh? Yes they do. Bizarre lie.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      Maybe their system doesn't ? older version? Broken system? Why assume they're lying?
- slg 5y ago
  That's all Autopilot is, adaptive cruise control and lane keeping. Autopilot doesn't react to stoplights, stop signs, or basically anything else. That is a separate feature set that they misleadingly call Full Self Driving.
  - cma 5y ago
    I think it still doesn't read speed limit signs either like it used to be capable of, but some areas are programmed in.
    - RC_ITR 5y ago
      You can once again - https://electrek.co/2020/08/29/tesla-software-update-visually-detect-speed-limit-signs/ https://electrek.co/2020/08/29/tesla-software-update-visuall... It was lost due to Tesla's decision to remove MobilEye as a supplier. Mobileye generally focuses on highly optimized HW/SW that does individual things very well, in a manner similar to how factory automation works (e.g., they basically built a "lane keeping + auto-braking + sign reading" appliance). Tesla decided that 1) It was bad to outsource automation 2) Starting from scratch and 'learning' how to drive using ML was better than iteratively teaching a car how to do discrete tasks very very well (this is why Autopilot regressed a bunch in 2016). In general, it's another symptom of Elon's 'I have an extremely specific idea, let's figure out' mentality that sometimes works and sometimes results in useless tunnels under Las Vegas.
runarberg 5y ago
May I ask, is traveling through a bumper to bumper traffic a frequent occurrence for you? If so, are there options for you to avoid it (e.g. change commuting times, work from home, walk, bike, or use public transportation)? If also yes, why do you tolerate it? Personally I see bumper to bumper traffic maybe 3 or 4 times a year (when driving home from a vacation or being forced to a doctor’s appointment during rush hour). And I honestly don’t get why anyone would subjugate them self to this kind of traffic as part of their daily commute.
- goldenkey 5y ago
  Try living in New York City, the whole tristate, not just Manhattan. 3 to 4 times a year is laughable. Try 30 to 40 times a year if you take the Belt Parkway. I used to live in LA where Santa Monica Blvd was always backed up. I doubt LA traffic has gotten better either. I'm surprised by your insolence with regard to how shitty traffic circumstances are in big cities. Simply changing one's commuting times doesn't failsafe the issue.
  - oh_sigh 5y ago
    30-40 times a year if you own a car and drive it regularly. That's why > 50% of households in NYC don't own a car.
    - greenyoda 5y ago
      Large parts of NYC (much of the outer boroughs) are not near the subway, and not within walking distance of a supermarket (especially if you're carrying groceries for an entire family). Millions of people live there because they can't afford Manhattan rents, especially for a family-sized apartment. Also, transit lines tend to connect well to mid-Manhattan but poorly between other locations. So if you live in Queens and work in Brooklyn, good luck getting to work reliably by public transportation. (Before you object to that arrangement, consider: If you own a house and have kids in school, you're not necessarily going to uproot your family and move just because your new job is further from home.) Thus, many ordinary New Yorkers rely on cars to commute to work.

asdff 5y ago

There are already cruise control systems that do this for you

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ed25519FUUU 5y ago
They don’t typically work below 25 MPH, and definitely don’t stop and go and keep you within the lane.
- mbell 5y ago
  That was true of older systems, most newer adaptive cruise control systems I've used have no issue with stop and go traffic.
  - sarajevo 5y ago
    A Model 3 owner confirms this...
- haliskerbas 5y ago
  I believe this one does all of those: https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/animation/pcspd https://www.toyota.com/safety-sense/animation/pcspd
- belltaco 5y ago
  I think only the new Honda L3 system(only on one very limited edition car in Japan) and a Subaru tech on some mainstream cars(in the US too) have this capability.
- jannyfer 5y ago
  Just off the top of my head - Honda Sensing works in stop-and-go traffic and keeps you within the lane.
  - ipsum2 5y ago
    Honda Sense lane keeping is only for > 40mph. In addition, you need to press a button if the vehicle completely stops.
    - ngokevin 5y ago
      Subaru Eyesight goes down to zero and handles stop and go with lane centering. Though I guess provided you've started the adaptive cruise control system above the minimum speed.
      - rwiggum 5y ago
        It's not smooth though. Once traffic starts again, Eyesight accelerates hard and then brakes hard when it get up to the car, because it's using cruise control and trying get up to speed and there is a minimum speed (25mph? maybe 10mph? i forget) to set the cruise control.
        ngokevin 5y ago
        You could try setting the acceleration curve (eco/gentle) and increase the follow distance.
    - dole 5y ago
      Not sure if it’s different now, but older models activated Lane Keeping Assist at 45mph and keeps lanes down to 40, and always seems to be just out of reach of usefulness in the city, perhaps by design. LKA is just that, an assist, because if you let it drive it’ll bounce back and forth between the lane markers, not keep you seemingly centered.
- codeulike 5y ago
  My Kia EV does exactly this, and is fairly competent at it.
- rad_gruchalski 5y ago
  My BMW 5 series does that. Huh. That's only when I ever use it.
- failwhaleshark 5y ago
  My mom's Subaru Forester does hands-off stop-and-go traffic from 0 to 90 mph. It has 2 cameras and does lane departure too. It will even activate antilock breaks if it needs to panic stop. Hyundais have exceptionally-good lane-following.
- nethunters 5y ago
  My Toyota Corolla with Toyota Safety Sense 2.0 (fitted in nearly every Toyota post 2018/2019) has stop and start, either press resume if you've stopped for more than 5 seconds or tap the accelerator, and that's with lane tracing assist as well. I don't think there's a second I don't have both Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Tracing Assist activated. Edit: You can also accelerate without disabling it.
  - asdff 5y ago
    I feel like I missed a huge generational gap driving a 2017 toyota. None of this lane assist, no backup camera, the only new bell and whistle I get that's different from my car 20 years ago is that this one beeps at me like I have a missile locked on my tail when someone is too close in front of me.
    - nethunters 5y ago
      Best part is it's standard on nearly every model. I don't think there's a minute when I don't have it enabled and it's full range so works at any speed and road. The millimetre wave radar is great when road markings aren't visible or when cars are manoeuvring around parked cars or other obstacles.
- spockz 5y ago
  Most cars support this here in Europe at least. However true traffic jam assist seems reserved for cars with automatic gears.
  - jagger27 5y ago
    Naturally. In my manual North American market Miata I have basic cruise control but if you touch the clutch or gear selector it disengages cruise. I can’t imagine a safe system that would work in stop and go traffic with a manual transmission.
    - psychomugs 5y ago
      Cruise control in a manual Miata feels only slightly less wrong than an automatic Miata. Or maybe I'm just salty that my cruise control has never worked.
      - jagger27 5y ago
        I only use it in the rare times I'm driving on a quiet highway for long multi-hour stretches. That's definitely not my preferred way of driving, as I usually trade around a half hour of extra travel time to take more winding, fun, and scenic routes.
    - oxfeed65261 5y ago
      The current VW Golf R has adaptive cruise control available with the manual transmission. I test-drove one. Not sure whether it does stop-start or whether this applies to other trim levels. Unfortunately it was not available yet when I got my 2015.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > They don’t typically work below 25 MPH, and definitely don’t stop and go and keep you within the lane. Eh? Yes they do. Bizarre lie.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Maybe their system doesn't ? older version? Broken system? Why assume they're lying?
slg 5y ago
That's all Autopilot is, adaptive cruise control and lane keeping. Autopilot doesn't react to stoplights, stop signs, or basically anything else. That is a separate feature set that they misleadingly call Full Self Driving.
- cma 5y ago
  I think it still doesn't read speed limit signs either like it used to be capable of, but some areas are programmed in.
  - RC_ITR 5y ago
    You can once again - https://electrek.co/2020/08/29/tesla-software-update-visually-detect-speed-limit-signs/ https://electrek.co/2020/08/29/tesla-software-update-visuall... It was lost due to Tesla's decision to remove MobilEye as a supplier. Mobileye generally focuses on highly optimized HW/SW that does individual things very well, in a manner similar to how factory automation works (e.g., they basically built a "lane keeping + auto-braking + sign reading" appliance). Tesla decided that 1) It was bad to outsource automation 2) Starting from scratch and 'learning' how to drive using ML was better than iteratively teaching a car how to do discrete tasks very very well (this is why Autopilot regressed a bunch in 2016). In general, it's another symptom of Elon's 'I have an extremely specific idea, let's figure out' mentality that sometimes works and sometimes results in useless tunnels under Las Vegas.

runarberg 5y ago

May I ask, is traveling through a bumper to bumper traffic a frequent occurrence for you? If so, are there options for you to avoid it (e.g. change commuting times, work from home, walk, bike, or use public transportation)? If also yes, why do you tolerate it? Personally I see bumper to bumper traffic maybe 3 or 4 times a year (when driving home from a vacation or being forced to a doctor’s appointment during rush hour). And I honestly don’t get why anyone would subjugate them self to this kind of traffic as part of their daily commute.

goldenkey 5y ago
Try living in New York City, the whole tristate, not just Manhattan. 3 to 4 times a year is laughable. Try 30 to 40 times a year if you take the Belt Parkway. I used to live in LA where Santa Monica Blvd was always backed up. I doubt LA traffic has gotten better either. I'm surprised by your insolence with regard to how shitty traffic circumstances are in big cities. Simply changing one's commuting times doesn't failsafe the issue.
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  30-40 times a year if you own a car and drive it regularly. That's why > 50% of households in NYC don't own a car.
  - greenyoda 5y ago
    Large parts of NYC (much of the outer boroughs) are not near the subway, and not within walking distance of a supermarket (especially if you're carrying groceries for an entire family). Millions of people live there because they can't afford Manhattan rents, especially for a family-sized apartment. Also, transit lines tend to connect well to mid-Manhattan but poorly between other locations. So if you live in Queens and work in Brooklyn, good luck getting to work reliably by public transportation. (Before you object to that arrangement, consider: If you own a house and have kids in school, you're not necessarily going to uproot your family and move just because your new job is further from home.) Thus, many ordinary New Yorkers rely on cars to commute to work.