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That is effing hilarious. Except we're trusting ML to perform surgery, choose conviction sentencing, evaluate job CVs, determine acceptable marriage partners (

by a3n 5y ago

That is effing hilarious. Except we're trusting ML to perform surgery, choose conviction sentencing, evaluate job CVs, determine acceptable marriage partners (why not?), determine who can have kids (why not?), determine who gets into college (why not?), determine who gets a loan (why not?), determine who gets to work on ML (why not?). And drive cars.

david_allison 5y ago
Not if the GDPR has anything to say about it > The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679&from=EN#d1e2838-1-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...
- a3n 5y ago
  Ah. Sounds great. But unfortunately I live in the US, the consumer's paradise. Question on your snippet though. It says "subject to a decision based solely on automated processing ..." Since I do live in the consumer's paradise I'm naturally suspicious. I wonder if people will sometimes be subject to decisions based solely on automated processing, and if they don't bother to ask for a human in the loop after the automated decision, then that's that. And how would you even know, one way or the other?
visarga 5y ago
We still use electricity even though it's deadly and it accidentally kills people every year. Why not use ML even if it has it's own issues? As humans who know better we're responsible to take all the precautions.
- a3n 5y ago
  It's a fair question. One difference is that electricity is not making decisions or suggestions on the fly. Another example is roads, where the design of the road allows one to turn into an opposing vehicle. The road itself is not deciding to turn your car into a semi trailer because it looks like sky, but an ML driven car has, multiple times. I don't even own a Tesla, and I resent having to participate in its beta program. ML in a car is quite different from a brake recall, or even a stuck accelerator software recall.
- rini17 5y ago
  In case of electricity, the precautions are relatively simple and well known. What are the precautions with ML-powered self driving? If the precaution is "requires constant human supervision" then it's a joke.

by a3n 5y ago

david_allison 5y ago

Not if the GDPR has anything to say about it > The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679&from=EN#d1e2838-1-1 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

a3n 5y ago
Ah. Sounds great. But unfortunately I live in the US, the consumer's paradise. Question on your snippet though. It says "subject to a decision based solely on automated processing ..." Since I do live in the consumer's paradise I'm naturally suspicious. I wonder if people will sometimes be subject to decisions based solely on automated processing, and if they don't bother to ask for a human in the loop after the automated decision, then that's that. And how would you even know, one way or the other?

visarga 5y ago

We still use electricity even though it's deadly and it accidentally kills people every year. Why not use ML even if it has it's own issues? As humans who know better we're responsible to take all the precautions.

a3n 5y ago
It's a fair question. One difference is that electricity is not making decisions or suggestions on the fly. Another example is roads, where the design of the road allows one to turn into an opposing vehicle. The road itself is not deciding to turn your car into a semi trailer because it looks like sky, but an ML driven car has, multiple times. I don't even own a Tesla, and I resent having to participate in its beta program. ML in a car is quite different from a brake recall, or even a stuck accelerator software recall.
rini17 5y ago
In case of electricity, the precautions are relatively simple and well known. What are the precautions with ML-powered self driving? If the precaution is "requires constant human supervision" then it's a joke.