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Those two things are not fully related. Apple could (and to some extend does) design a system that keeps YOU in control without being an anti-competitive platfo

by izacus 5y ago

Those two things are not fully related. Apple could (and to some extend does) design a system that keeps YOU in control without being an anti-competitive platform that prevents competition in non-OS / non-platform markets. Preinstalling and pushing Apple Music / iCloud (not to mention giving it private entitlements the competitors can't use) is not related to the iOS security model by itself. There's also no reason that the curator of your app store has to be the same entity that sold you your hardware - there are plenty of even more trustworthy organizations and people that could create curated stores which might be even more relevant than AppStore haphazard and inconsistent curation. Imagine if AppStore could just be a framework where you can choose curators you trust more than a Californian megacorp.

judge2020 5y ago
I don't think that's possible if your goal is zero (system-altering) malware - pretty much all (with the exception of checkra1n) recent iOS releases have had a jailbreak that works by chaining exploits to break out of the app sandbox and can be installed via just signing an IPA, gain root and install Cydia/other dpkg frontends. Without the app store you would see these making their way to things people can download, just in the form of 'free vbucks' or other illegitimate apps that silently alter the system to install system-wide adware that replaces ads in other apps with their own.
- izacus 5y ago
  You're again mistaking security and software safety for anticompetitive business practices. Apple loves to mix this too - after all, their marketing is spending a lot of money persuading it that those two are related. They're not. Even currently, AppStore is not without malware, so they have failed at that goal and us users have paid too great of a price by distortion of no.1 tenement that makes capitalism a functioning and decent system to live in: competition. It's like an abused wife being afraid to run away from her husband because she thinks he's the only one that can protect her.
  - awillen 5y ago
    Don't trivialize domestic abuse with this kind of comparison.
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  - judge2020 5y ago
    I'm not mistaking those - surely the human aspect helps avoid most (if not all) system-altering malware, while 'malware' in general (which includes apps that trick users into subscriptions and such) is severely cut down with some apps avoiding it by hiding from Cupertino and such[0]. 0: https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=799 https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=799

by izacus 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

I don't think that's possible if your goal is zero (system-altering) malware - pretty much all (with the exception of checkra1n) recent iOS releases have had a jailbreak that works by chaining exploits to break out of the app sandbox and can be installed via just signing an IPA, gain root and install Cydia/other dpkg frontends. Without the app store you would see these making their way to things people can download, just in the form of 'free vbucks' or other illegitimate apps that silently alter the system to install system-wide adware that replaces ads in other apps with their own.

izacus 5y ago
You're again mistaking security and software safety for anticompetitive business practices. Apple loves to mix this too - after all, their marketing is spending a lot of money persuading it that those two are related. They're not. Even currently, AppStore is not without malware, so they have failed at that goal and us users have paid too great of a price by distortion of no.1 tenement that makes capitalism a functioning and decent system to live in: competition. It's like an abused wife being afraid to run away from her husband because she thinks he's the only one that can protect her.
- awillen 5y ago
  Don't trivialize domestic abuse with this kind of comparison.
- deleted 5y ago
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- judge2020 5y ago
  I'm not mistaking those - surely the human aspect helps avoid most (if not all) system-altering malware, while 'malware' in general (which includes apps that trick users into subscriptions and such) is severely cut down with some apps avoiding it by hiding from Cupertino and such[0]. 0: https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=799 https://youtu.be/tJeEuxn9mug?t=799