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> Without our apps, the iPhone has little value to most of its customers today. Looking at my iPhone I see no 3rd party apps. I use safari to access websites a

> Without our apps, the iPhone has little value to most of its customers today. Looking at my iPhone I see no 3rd party apps. I use safari to access websites and eschew any service that wants me to "use our app" and doesn't have a web version.

phren0logy 5y ago
I believe you, but surely you realize that you are an outlier?
lostgame 5y ago
So your use case effectively represents maybe 1% of iOS/iPadOS users? :P Realistically probably less? Because, as a musician - I should just use the Web App version of GarageBand, right? Because I'm sure the Web App version of GarageBand will run circles around the native version, right? :P And it'll have all the support for things like Audio Bus, USB Midi support, and USB Audio card I/O - of course. And that'll all be totally secure, too! ... (GarageBand adds immense and completely irreplaceable value for iOS for me...it's actually the reason I use iOS/iPadOS as I can import those creations into Logic Pro on my Mac and that ease of workflow is absolutely impossible to reproduce anywhere else. I'd pay $200 for GarageBand if it wasn't shockingly free, minus the requirement to stick with iOS/iPadOS.) Plus - who could forget about that fantastic Web-only version of ProCreate, for all the millions of hobbyist and professional designers who buy an iPad Pro and Apple Pencil for - y'know - art. I love using the Apple Pencil to manipulate extremely high-resolution art in the browser - it never crashes and it's so much more responsive than a native app! ... (Obviously there is not - nor ever will there be - a Web version of ProCreate. Or GarageBand. And the replacements will certainly not perform better or support awesome things like AudioBus.) Gotta love how well Garageband, ProCreate; and all those native video games hundreds of millions of people like to play and use work in a browser on iOS - you're right - better scrap the App Store altogether! Clearly nobody installs apps and there are no potential use cases for tens of or hundreds of millions of users to do so. ...okay, I'm done. :P
- whywhywhywhy 5y ago
  >USB Midi support Web apps certainly could have this if Apple wanted them to. Works perfectly find on computers and Android devices. >Obviously there is not - nor ever will there be - a Web version of ProCreate. Or GarageBand There absolutely could be, just needs a talented team. Figma is a web app and runs circles around any native app in the design space, nothing too magical going on in ProCreate or Garageband that couldn't be done on the web with a talented team and an OS that didn't intentionally limit it's power.
handrous 5y ago
I'm the same way on iPhone—I use several 3rd-party apps, but it'd be 90% as useful to me without any of them. iPad? Oh hell no. I'd not bother with one, at all, without third-party apps. With them it's amazing, probably my single favorite computer platform for anything that's not programming. Without them it's just a huge, worse (there's not even a calculator!) iPhone.

phren0logy 5y ago

I believe you, but surely you realize that you are an outlier?

lostgame 5y ago

So your use case effectively represents maybe 1% of iOS/iPadOS users? :P Realistically probably less? Because, as a musician - I should just use the Web App version of GarageBand, right? Because I'm sure the Web App version of GarageBand will run circles around the native version, right? :P And it'll have all the support for things like Audio Bus, USB Midi support, and USB Audio card I/O - of course. And that'll all be totally secure, too! ... (GarageBand adds immense and completely irreplaceable value for iOS for me...it's actually the reason I use iOS/iPadOS as I can import those creations into Logic Pro on my Mac and that ease of workflow is absolutely impossible to reproduce anywhere else. I'd pay $200 for GarageBand if it wasn't shockingly free, minus the requirement to stick with iOS/iPadOS.) Plus - who could forget about that fantastic Web-only version of ProCreate, for all the millions of hobbyist and professional designers who buy an iPad Pro and Apple Pencil for - y'know - art. I love using the Apple Pencil to manipulate extremely high-resolution art in the browser - it never crashes and it's so much more responsive than a native app! ... (Obviously there is not - nor ever will there be - a Web version of ProCreate. Or GarageBand. And the replacements will certainly not perform better or support awesome things like AudioBus.) Gotta love how well Garageband, ProCreate; and all those native video games hundreds of millions of people like to play and use work in a browser on iOS - you're right - better scrap the App Store altogether! Clearly nobody installs apps and there are no potential use cases for tens of or hundreds of millions of users to do so. ...okay, I'm done. :P

whywhywhywhy 5y ago
>USB Midi support Web apps certainly could have this if Apple wanted them to. Works perfectly find on computers and Android devices. >Obviously there is not - nor ever will there be - a Web version of ProCreate. Or GarageBand There absolutely could be, just needs a talented team. Figma is a web app and runs circles around any native app in the design space, nothing too magical going on in ProCreate or Garageband that couldn't be done on the web with a talented team and an OS that didn't intentionally limit it's power.

handrous 5y ago

I'm the same way on iPhone—I use several 3rd-party apps, but it'd be 90% as useful to me without any of them. iPad? Oh hell no. I'd not bother with one, at all, without third-party apps. With them it's amazing, probably my single favorite computer platform for anything that's not programming. Without them it's just a huge, worse (there's not even a calculator!) iPhone.