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I ve been watching videos of people from Norway where electric cars are popular, and ppl tend to spend hours in their car waiting for cars to charge. It makes s

I ve been watching videos of people from Norway where electric cars are popular, and ppl tend to spend hours in their car waiting for cars to charge. It makes sense to think that this will be a new place where people find themselves. But is this going to last? I understand the novelty the first 5,10, 100 times but at some point people will demand battery swaps instead because waiting hours for the car to charge every time becomes a friking chore

frumper 5y ago
Maybe the new convenience store model is a shop next door to the chargers that will bring you out snacks and drinks you order from in your car while you wait.
fiftyfifty 5y ago
Most Tesla superchargers will charge from 0-80% in 20-30 minutes. There's no need for anyone to spend hours in their car charging.
bryanlarsen 5y ago
Hours? Is that hyperbole or are the chargers really slow in Norway? At a Supercharger, a Tesla Model 3 charges from 0-50% in under 15 minutes, 0-80% in 30 minutes and 0-100% in an hour.
- jfengel 5y ago
  Out of curiosity, what's the 20%-80% time? As I understand it, that's the range you want it to be in most of the time. It means you only actually use 60% of the max capacity, and max capacity is only for rare-ish extreme cases. But if it's only, say, 15 minutes for 20%-80%, that's not really all that far out of keeping with a 5 minute gas fill-up.
  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    In real life, a 5 minute gas fill-up and a 15 minute charge are approximately equal. You don't have to wait at the charger like you do for gas, so it can charge while use use the bathroom and buy a coffee. But unfortunately 20-80 is only 3-4 minutes faster than 0-80, just over 25 minutes give or take a few minutes depending on temperature etc. Like cell phones, car batteries can charge a lot faster when they're empty.
codeulike 5y ago
and ppl tend to spend hours in their car waiting for cars to charge er ... citation needed?

frumper 5y ago

Maybe the new convenience store model is a shop next door to the chargers that will bring you out snacks and drinks you order from in your car while you wait.

fiftyfifty 5y ago

Most Tesla superchargers will charge from 0-80% in 20-30 minutes. There's no need for anyone to spend hours in their car charging.

bryanlarsen 5y ago

Hours? Is that hyperbole or are the chargers really slow in Norway? At a Supercharger, a Tesla Model 3 charges from 0-50% in under 15 minutes, 0-80% in 30 minutes and 0-100% in an hour.

jfengel 5y ago
Out of curiosity, what's the 20%-80% time? As I understand it, that's the range you want it to be in most of the time. It means you only actually use 60% of the max capacity, and max capacity is only for rare-ish extreme cases. But if it's only, say, 15 minutes for 20%-80%, that's not really all that far out of keeping with a 5 minute gas fill-up.
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  In real life, a 5 minute gas fill-up and a 15 minute charge are approximately equal. You don't have to wait at the charger like you do for gas, so it can charge while use use the bathroom and buy a coffee. But unfortunately 20-80 is only 3-4 minutes faster than 0-80, just over 25 minutes give or take a few minutes depending on temperature etc. Like cell phones, car batteries can charge a lot faster when they're empty.

codeulike 5y ago

and ppl tend to spend hours in their car waiting for cars to charge er ... citation needed?