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> Because of my white skin, I "continue to materially benefit" from "systemic racism," and yet, where are these benefits? Less likely to be arrested or incarce

> Because of my white skin, I "continue to materially benefit" from "systemic racism," and yet, where are these benefits? Less likely to be arrested or incarcerated, less likely to be stopped or harassed by police, less likely to be denied a job or mortgage. Those are some of the major systemic privileges White people have that Black people don't in the U.S. The statistics are pretty stark.

monocasa 5y ago
Another example: an otherwise identical resume with the first name changed from Tyrone to Brad results in 3x as many job application callbacks. https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873 https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873
- tester756 5y ago
  Is it same thing as making fun of names? that probably every country does - e.g saying "average Joe"? if yes, then how is this associated with racism?
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Read the paper, as it's not just those two names. Black names are undeniably discriminated against at the earliest points of the employment process. This is something I like to bring up, since it's a great example of a microcosm of discrimination that it's easy to not think about. There's a black saying that blacks have to work twice as hard to get half as far, and the data seems to be remarkably close to that assessment.
noofen 5y ago
The statistics are pretty stark if you start with the incorrect assumption that "all men are created equal." This is, quite simply, not the case, and will never be the case. Of course, hell will freeze over before anyone accepts that "horrific" truth. I'm sure you recognize different dog breeds, and possibly know that certain dog breeds are known to act a certain way. This is due to generations and generations of artificial-selection in breeding. Herding breeds were designed for herding, German Shepherds were designed for herding and protection, Shitzus were designed for companionship. You probably wouldn't expect to see a Shitzu herding sheep. That does not, in any way, make Shitzu's "less than" a herding breed, they're just built for a different function. Shitzus evolved in environments where companionship was prioritized over herding, obviously. And yet, when it comes to humans, we choose not to acknowledge this fact: geography influences evolutionary pressures, and evolutionary pressures influence the humans that evolved there. You see this in culture too. Cultures evolve just like the humans that belong to them do, and it's a big soupy mess of genetics influencing behavior/culture, and behavior/culture influencing genetics. Expecting African Americans to act like neurotic white protestants is fundamentally racist, you're trying to shove a square peg in a round hole. Human diversity is real, except it goes beyond skin color. On average, racial groups exhibit similar behavior, across socioeconomic spectrums. Racial groups evolved in similar geographic regions, they are optimized for survival in those regions, around those people. "All men are created equal" is perhaps the most harmful lie ever told.
neartheplain 5y ago
>Less likely to be arrested or incarcerated, less likely to be stopped or harassed by police Communities which experience more crime tend to interact more with law enforcement. The perpetrators of those crimes, who generally come from the same communities as their victims, tend to get arrested and incarcerated in proportion to their rate of criminality. Most murder in the US is committed by black men [1], and mainly concentrated in a handful of poor urban areas: St. Louis, Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, etc. The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) [2][3], widely seen as the gold standard for data on criminal victimization, confirms that violent crime is simply a larger problem in America's urabn black communities compared to the white, Asian, and Hispanic communities. Rates of arrest, conviction, and incarceration reflect this. It is no longer the 1960s. Body cameras and smartphones are everywhere. Racism has been taboo for decades. Police know that if they unjustly shoot or abuse a black person, there's a good chance their careers and lives as free citizens will be over. The notion that law enforcement arrests and incarcertates more black people mainly due to racial antipathy, rather than that community's starkly higher rate of criminal violence, is not supported by evidence. Tracing back through history, the forces which led to the present situation such as slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and redlining were undoubtedly racist and systemic. However, these systemic forces are now gone. They have even been replaced in many areas by systemic counter-forces, such as in university admissions [4], law school admissions [5], med school admissions [6], access to government debt relief [7], and access to the COVID vaccine [8]. The problems which bedevil many black Americans today- disproportionate poverty, broken families, drug addiction, all resultant criminality- would appear to be the results of historical inequities, not ongoing systemic racism. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... [2] https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/ncvs.html https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/ncvs.html [3] https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/us/affirmative-action-50-years.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/us/affirmative-action-50-... [5] https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/do-underrepresented-minority-urm-applicants-have-a-law-school-admissions-advantage/ https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/do-underrepresented-minorit... [6] https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/new-chart-illustrates-graphically-racial-preferences-for-blacks-and-hispanics-being-admitted-to-us-medical-schools/ https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/new-chart-illustrates-graphic... [7] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wisconsin-dairy-farmer-sues-biden-admin-over-racist-relief-plan/ar-BB1gprNI https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wisconsin-dairy-farmer-sue... [8] https://khn.org/news/article/vermont-gives-blacks-and-other-minority-residents-vaccine-priority/ https://khn.org/news/article/vermont-gives-blacks-and-other-...
tester756 5y ago
>Less likely to be arrested or incarcerated, less likely to be stopped or harassed by police Truly life changing benefits.

monocasa 5y ago

Another example: an otherwise identical resume with the first name changed from Tyrone to Brad results in 3x as many job application callbacks. https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873 https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873

tester756 5y ago
Is it same thing as making fun of names? that probably every country does - e.g saying "average Joe"? if yes, then how is this associated with racism?
- monocasa 5y ago
  Read the paper, as it's not just those two names. Black names are undeniably discriminated against at the earliest points of the employment process. This is something I like to bring up, since it's a great example of a microcosm of discrimination that it's easy to not think about. There's a black saying that blacks have to work twice as hard to get half as far, and the data seems to be remarkably close to that assessment.

noofen 5y ago

The statistics are pretty stark if you start with the incorrect assumption that "all men are created equal." This is, quite simply, not the case, and will never be the case. Of course, hell will freeze over before anyone accepts that "horrific" truth. I'm sure you recognize different dog breeds, and possibly know that certain dog breeds are known to act a certain way. This is due to generations and generations of artificial-selection in breeding. Herding breeds were designed for herding, German Shepherds were designed for herding and protection, Shitzus were designed for companionship. You probably wouldn't expect to see a Shitzu herding sheep. That does not, in any way, make Shitzu's "less than" a herding breed, they're just built for a different function. Shitzus evolved in environments where companionship was prioritized over herding, obviously. And yet, when it comes to humans, we choose not to acknowledge this fact: geography influences evolutionary pressures, and evolutionary pressures influence the humans that evolved there. You see this in culture too. Cultures evolve just like the humans that belong to them do, and it's a big soupy mess of genetics influencing behavior/culture, and behavior/culture influencing genetics. Expecting African Americans to act like neurotic white protestants is fundamentally racist, you're trying to shove a square peg in a round hole. Human diversity is real, except it goes beyond skin color. On average, racial groups exhibit similar behavior, across socioeconomic spectrums. Racial groups evolved in similar geographic regions, they are optimized for survival in those regions, around those people. "All men are created equal" is perhaps the most harmful lie ever told.

neartheplain 5y ago

>Less likely to be arrested or incarcerated, less likely to be stopped or harassed by police Communities which experience more crime tend to interact more with law enforcement. The perpetrators of those crimes, who generally come from the same communities as their victims, tend to get arrested and incarcerated in proportion to their rate of criminality. Most murder in the US is committed by black men [1], and mainly concentrated in a handful of poor urban areas: St. Louis, Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, etc. The National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) [2][3], widely seen as the gold standard for data on criminal victimization, confirms that violent crime is simply a larger problem in America's urabn black communities compared to the white, Asian, and Hispanic communities. Rates of arrest, conviction, and incarceration reflect this. It is no longer the 1960s. Body cameras and smartphones are everywhere. Racism has been taboo for decades. Police know that if they unjustly shoot or abuse a black person, there's a good chance their careers and lives as free citizens will be over. The notion that law enforcement arrests and incarcertates more black people mainly due to racial antipathy, rather than that community's starkly higher rate of criminal violence, is not supported by evidence. Tracing back through history, the forces which led to the present situation such as slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, and redlining were undoubtedly racist and systemic. However, these systemic forces are now gone. They have even been replaced in many areas by systemic counter-forces, such as in university admissions [4], law school admissions [5], med school admissions [6], access to government debt relief [7], and access to the COVID vaccine [8]. The problems which bedevil many black Americans today- disproportionate poverty, broken families, drug addiction, all resultant criminality- would appear to be the results of historical inequities, not ongoing systemic racism. [1] https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43 https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-... [2] https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/ncvs.html https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/ncvs.html [3] https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/us/affirmative-action-50-years.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/30/us/affirmative-action-50-... [5] https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/do-underrepresented-minority-urm-applicants-have-a-law-school-admissions-advantage/ https://blog.powerscore.com/lsat/do-underrepresented-minorit... [6] https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/new-chart-illustrates-graphically-racial-preferences-for-blacks-and-hispanics-being-admitted-to-us-medical-schools/ https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/new-chart-illustrates-graphic... [7] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wisconsin-dairy-farmer-sues-biden-admin-over-racist-relief-plan/ar-BB1gprNI https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wisconsin-dairy-farmer-sue... [8] https://khn.org/news/article/vermont-gives-blacks-and-other-minority-residents-vaccine-priority/ https://khn.org/news/article/vermont-gives-blacks-and-other-...

tester756 5y ago

>Less likely to be arrested or incarcerated, less likely to be stopped or harassed by police Truly life changing benefits.