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> It's the blanket statements about Jewish people that I'd call anti-semitic. I find those inappropriate too- I think he might have gotten carried too far in m

by Udik 5y ago

> It's the blanket statements about Jewish people that I'd call anti-semitic. I find those inappropriate too- I think he might have gotten carried too far in making his point. However, on one hand I think it's an understandable slip: after all, Israel calls itself the Jewish homeland and often tries to extend criticism it receives to all Jews (by calling it antisemitic). This with little objection from Jews elsewhere. On the other hand, "antisemitic" is a very strong accusation: are we sure there aren't middle grounds, such as calling something inappropriate or incorrect, without associating it straight away with one of the worst mass murders in history?

dragonwriter 5y ago
> However, on one hand I think it's an understandable slip: after all, Israel calls itself the Jewish homeland and often tries to extend criticism it receives to all Jews (by calling it antisemitic) “Some racists justify racism by equating their racism with their race and calling criticizing of their racism an attack on their race” doesn’t even begin to justify, excuse, or mitigate racism against that race. That’s what all racists of all races do, and if we accept that as a justification for racism all racists will be justified by other racists.
- Udik 5y ago
  But again, "racist" is a very grave accusation, are you sure that a single inappropriate sentence (missing possibly just a qualifier, "Israeli Jew") at the end of a more articulated argument is enough to qualify someone as a racist?
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > But again, "racist" is a very grave accusation, are you sure that a single inappropriate sentence (missing possibly just a qualifier, "Israeli Jew") at the end of a more articulated argument is enough to qualify someone as a racist? I didn’t describe someone as racist, I described an argument as racist (the difference is the same as that between a dumb idea and an idea from a dumb person.) And the argument would be racist even with “Israeli Jew”. It would be possible to rewrite it while retaining some of the ideas in it and not be racist, but it would be a major revision that I don’t think anyone would view as cosmetic.

by Udik 5y ago

dragonwriter 5y ago

> However, on one hand I think it's an understandable slip: after all, Israel calls itself the Jewish homeland and often tries to extend criticism it receives to all Jews (by calling it antisemitic) “Some racists justify racism by equating their racism with their race and calling criticizing of their racism an attack on their race” doesn’t even begin to justify, excuse, or mitigate racism against that race. That’s what all racists of all races do, and if we accept that as a justification for racism all racists will be justified by other racists.

Udik 5y ago
But again, "racist" is a very grave accusation, are you sure that a single inappropriate sentence (missing possibly just a qualifier, "Israeli Jew") at the end of a more articulated argument is enough to qualify someone as a racist?
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > But again, "racist" is a very grave accusation, are you sure that a single inappropriate sentence (missing possibly just a qualifier, "Israeli Jew") at the end of a more articulated argument is enough to qualify someone as a racist? I didn’t describe someone as racist, I described an argument as racist (the difference is the same as that between a dumb idea and an idea from a dumb person.) And the argument would be racist even with “Israeli Jew”. It would be possible to rewrite it while retaining some of the ideas in it and not be racist, but it would be a major revision that I don’t think anyone would view as cosmetic.