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The moral and educational formation of children is the right of parents. Your authoritarian attack on the family isn't representative of most people's views.

The moral and educational formation of children is the right of parents. Your authoritarian attack on the family isn't representative of most people's views. And if everyone pulled their kids out of public school, virtually all of those children would be better off, with very few exceptions. Punting one's offspring to daycare and public schools so that both parents can work is the real tragedy of the commons.

rsj_hn 5y ago
I don't know whether virtually all will be better off. But like people realizing that with the interent they no longer need to be in the office, many are realizing their kids no longer need to be in a physical school building. There are just many resources out there on the internet to have excellent course materials and information delivered straight to your home, together with all sorts of physical activities and clubs available for recreation and group events, and there are big advantages to being able to learn at your own pace in a safe and non-disruptive environment taught by someone with a strong commitment to your well-being. Given all these advantages, the bar is pretty low for when customized learning exceeds the factory-style and heavily politicized education given at schools, especially given the current dysfunctional state of educational pedagogy in the U.S and the fact that unlike in other nations, the U.S. tends to draw teachers from the lowest scoring college graduates. The situation is very different in other nations, but in the U.S., education majors tend to be selected from the bottom of the barrel of the college graduate pool. That said, the reason why most homeschoolers are much better off today is because parents who care about education and have the wherewithal to tutor their child self-select to homeschool. If everyone did it, you would find that a lot of parents can't spend the time to do it and need the school as a babysitter. Or they don't have the wherewithal to do it due to their own lack of education. So homeschooling is generally done by parents with above average education and income which is why it's so successful in the U.S. Make everyone do it, and those outcomes would change quite a bit.
- slumdev 5y ago
  > That said, the reason why most homeschoolers are much better off today is because parents who care about education and have the wherewithal to tutor their child self-select to homeschool. If you believe in the growth mindset, you necessarily have to reject this idea that homeschoolers are a gifted bunch whose success cannot be replicated.
ninkendo 5y ago
> And if everyone pulled their kids out of public school, virtually all of those children would be better off Except for the children who aren’t able to be pulled out of public school. They would be far worse off. If you’re advocating getting rid of public schools as an institution, what are you replacing it with? Just not educating kids at all if their parents can’t afford it? Do you view education as a right or a privilege? Would you at least agree that society is better off if everyone is educated, or do you think it’s just a perk that you can go without?
- slumdev 5y ago
  My right to educate my children to the best of my ability trumps your desire to hold them back for some imagined benefit that might accrue to their classmates. Your plan is just crab bucket mentality dressed up in egalitarianism's clothing.

rsj_hn 5y ago

I don't know whether virtually all will be better off. But like people realizing that with the interent they no longer need to be in the office, many are realizing their kids no longer need to be in a physical school building. There are just many resources out there on the internet to have excellent course materials and information delivered straight to your home, together with all sorts of physical activities and clubs available for recreation and group events, and there are big advantages to being able to learn at your own pace in a safe and non-disruptive environment taught by someone with a strong commitment to your well-being. Given all these advantages, the bar is pretty low for when customized learning exceeds the factory-style and heavily politicized education given at schools, especially given the current dysfunctional state of educational pedagogy in the U.S and the fact that unlike in other nations, the U.S. tends to draw teachers from the lowest scoring college graduates. The situation is very different in other nations, but in the U.S., education majors tend to be selected from the bottom of the barrel of the college graduate pool. That said, the reason why most homeschoolers are much better off today is because parents who care about education and have the wherewithal to tutor their child self-select to homeschool. If everyone did it, you would find that a lot of parents can't spend the time to do it and need the school as a babysitter. Or they don't have the wherewithal to do it due to their own lack of education. So homeschooling is generally done by parents with above average education and income which is why it's so successful in the U.S. Make everyone do it, and those outcomes would change quite a bit.

slumdev 5y ago
> That said, the reason why most homeschoolers are much better off today is because parents who care about education and have the wherewithal to tutor their child self-select to homeschool. If you believe in the growth mindset, you necessarily have to reject this idea that homeschoolers are a gifted bunch whose success cannot be replicated.

ninkendo 5y ago

> And if everyone pulled their kids out of public school, virtually all of those children would be better off Except for the children who aren’t able to be pulled out of public school. They would be far worse off. If you’re advocating getting rid of public schools as an institution, what are you replacing it with? Just not educating kids at all if their parents can’t afford it? Do you view education as a right or a privilege? Would you at least agree that society is better off if everyone is educated, or do you think it’s just a perk that you can go without?

slumdev 5y ago
My right to educate my children to the best of my ability trumps your desire to hold them back for some imagined benefit that might accrue to their classmates. Your plan is just crab bucket mentality dressed up in egalitarianism's clothing.