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>Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years? Simple explanation is Google's Democrat-leaning
by logicchains 5y ago
>Is Google inconsistent, or has their policy on how to deal with these things changed over the past few years?
Simple explanation is Google's Democrat-leaning leadership are more aligned with Bobb than Damore (in the US, the left are generally anti-Israel while the right support it, and the left are pro-affirmative-action while the right oppose it).
- whimsicalism 5y agoYes, people on the Left haven't realized women's innate biological tendency towards neuroticism, which renders affirmative action self-defeating.
- throwaway3699 5y agoWhy does this statement sound sexist? Is it true? I feel like I should disagree on principal, but honestly I've remotely no idea if this is true or false. I thought the data was that there are differences, but they're so small that the average man and average woman overlap in the majority of their characteristics.
- whimsicalism 5y agoThey are small, and we are not nearly as good at separating out nature and nurture as Damore's claims require. The comment was an experiment, I was somewhat appalled to see I got upvoted for that here. Absolutely a fireable offense to inject that sort of discourse into a professional workplace imo.
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- cjohnson318 5y ago> women's innate biological tendency towards neuroticism What the actual... Are you serious right now? Men kill women and other men at much, much higher rates than women kill men or other women. What does that say about the the "innate biological tendencies" of men?
- whimsicalism 5y agoOf course not. I was seeing how far people would go with Damore, and it really saddens me how much my comment was upvoted. People here are the type of people I work with... they all hold these views? Of course, now that I've clarified, I expect the Damore-types to downvoted my comment, it peaked at +5.
- cjohnson318 5y agoJfc. You had me there. I need to calm down and get back to work. This whole thread is way too much.
- whimsicalism 5y agoWhat's even more interesting is that it wasn't flagged and taken down until I clarified that I was trying to be critical of Damore.
- artichokes 5y agoIt's universally acknowledged that men are more violent than women.
- kbelder 5y agoWould saying so at Google get you fired?
- cjohnson318 5y agoIt is not universally acknowledged. Case in point, during the 2016 campaign, people asked if a woman could be trusted with the nuclear codes, but no one questioned whether a man could be trusted with them.
- artichokes 5y ago> people asked if a woman could be trusted with the nuclear codes Who? > no one questioned whether a man could be trusted with them. https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/politics/trump-nuclear-authorization-hearing/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/politics/trump-nuclear-author... https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-trump-finger-on-button-20171021-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-trump-finger-... https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a47436/trump-nuclear-codes-noonan/ https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a47436/t... I'm surprised you never heard anyone question Trump's temperament regarding control over nukes.
- zpeti 5y agoThis is the correct answer. The amount of anti-semitism shown during this recent Hamas Israel conflict in the woke left has been very worrying. We are likely to see a big resurgence of anti-semitism in the next period. It's more and more socially acceptable on the left.
- antisemtexism 5y agoCriticism of Israel's apartheid policies isn't antisemitism. It's such nonsense how the two have been conflated in recent years.
- zpeti 5y agoMost of the stuff I've seen recently is not criticising the "apartheid policies" (debatable) of Israel. It's actual anti jewish rhetoric.
- antisemtexism 5y agoWell, I've seen the opposite. I suspect it's not leftists you're witnessing saying such things.
- whimsicalism 5y agoSeriously, most of the stuff you've seen recently?
- javagram 5y agoStreet harassment or violence against visibly Jewish individuals has nothing to do with “criticism of Israel” though, and it did spike and has been increasing based on news articles and counts of reported incidents. https://www.jta.org/2021/05/21/united-states/antisemitism-in-new-york-city-what-we-know-about-thursdays-attacks https://www.jta.org/2021/05/21/united-states/antisemitism-in...
- xdennis 5y agoArabs in Israel have the same rights (and more than Arabs in Arab countries). Where is the apartheid? Is letting the Palestinian Authority govern Gaza and the West Bank apartheid?
- shadowgovt 5y agoThe simple explanation is not always correct. Damore doubled down on defending the document and asserted his right to publish it. At that point, he made himself a walking Title VII violation and tied Google's hands. Whether management wanted to fire him or not, the legal cost of retaining him was going to exceed his value as an individual contributor. As far as I can see, Bobb is doing everything he can to work with Google to avoid the further creation of a hostile work environment. It might not be enough, but for now it seems to be worth more to the company to keep him than to fire him. There may be one aspect, however, where your observation about relative American tolerances for hostile-environment-creating speech matters. Hostile work environment is partially decided by fellow employee's reaction to behavior. If the average Googler is, in fact, less tolerant of biological essentialism than antisemitism, that could create a corporation where one speech is punished more hardly than the other. But I think we ought not to discount the reaction of the separate actors in these two stories once caught in the spotlight.