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For anyone who is interested, the actual blog post on his website was deleted. It's available on the Way Back Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/202106011605

For anyone who is interested, the actual blog post on his website was deleted. It's available on the Way Back Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamaubobb.com/hidden-blogs/2007/12/if-i-were-a-jew https://web.archive.org/web/20210601160519/https://www.kamau...

dougmwne 5y ago
Thank you. Everyone on this thread should read the original words instead of the pull quotes. I am a staunch progressive and am afraid to make my own comment on his words. We are living through a strange political moment.
- kache_ 5y ago
  My whole twitter account is 100% only recruiter bait. I cycle my reddit nicks every 2 months or so. I've cleaned out everything that I've posted as a teenager (even though I am a sensible person) Not taking any chances. Saw the writing on the wall with Damore. I should probably axe this nick but I've grown fond of its upvotes. So whatever :P Always assume you've been dox'd.
  - dougmwne 5y ago
    Once we get reliable deep learning recognition of writing styles we are well and truly fucked.
    - kazinator 5y ago
      At least momentarily, until we get deep-learning-driven permutation of writing style.
13415 5y ago
Thanks for linking that. It puts the issue in perspective. To be honest, I'm amazed that a blog post like that can make someone lose his job as a "head of diversity." Apparently, diversity at Google means that people should never voice critical opinions about the Israeli government, not even privately. For me, the lesson to learn from this is that to never apply for a job in the US or for a job for a large US company. That's easy for me to say, though, since I'm working as a philosopher in academia and these are not wanted or needed in corporations anyway.
- foolfoolz 5y ago
  this isn’t just criticizing israel. this is criticizing all jewish people as being war hawking hypocrites unable to remember history who don’t care about anyone but themselves. it’s clearly antisemitic. and if he wanted to make this about israel it should have been phrased “if i were an israeli” which still isn’t accurate cause not everyone in israel suppported this maybe the lesson is if you are going to make sweeping, negative, generalizations about a population you are probably going to look like an idiot. and especially if you feel the need to publish them to the world
  - 13415 5y ago
    While I wouldn't put it the same way he did, calling this "clearly antisemitic" goes way over board and is in my point of view unacceptable. Besides, albeit regrettable, it is common for Israelis to mix up their religion with political matters, too. The kind of ferocity with which people reject other people's opinions and evaluate them to the highest possible moral standards once they disagree with them is a special kind of modern savagery. We're talking about a blog post this guy wrote ten years ago as a private person. Maybe he even changed his opinion or regrets the way he phrased it then?
foolfoolz 5y ago
still not fired from google. if this post was “if i were black” and anyone not black wrote it they would be fired
- droopyEyelids 5y ago
  If I understand what you're saying, you're setting aside the context that [the state of Israel exists and has a controversial military doctrine], and reading the Google guy's post as specifically targeted at people who share the Jewish faith?
  - foolfoolz 5y ago
    if i understand what you’re saying, your setting aside the direct text from the article which targeted the jewish people and reading the google guys post as specifically being about israel?
  - oh_sigh 5y ago
    Would you accept blanket statements about black people being violent war-craving psychopaths if the context is the Ugandan expulsion of Asians?
  - Rebelgecko 5y ago
    The fact that he ends the essay with "If I were a Jew..." and not "If I were an Israeli..." makes it pretty clear to me which group he is referring to. Especially considering the author's other comments praising bigots like Louis Farrakhan
    - Charlieza 5y ago
      Though not every anti-Israeli is anti-Jewish, fact is, most ardent ones are anti-Jewish. BTW. Anti-Jewish bigotry [ethnic Arab racism and/or religious Islamic intolerance] by Arab Muslim Goliath middle east against the 'other'... is the root cause of "conflict" at least since the Ottomans banned the FALASTIN periofical for racism in 1914. Then the hate mongering by ex Mufti al-Husseini (invertor of the cry 'itbakh al-Yahud' and years later the: 'Kill the J..s wherever they are") in the 1920s pogroms --especially against non-Zionist pious Jews, as in 1921 and 1929-- through his and Ahmad Shukeiri aiding Hitler in WW2. [Yes, that Shukairy who justified the Holocaust in 1946; in 1956 still said Palestine is nothing but southern Syria, first PLO chairman; has invented the apartheid slander in oct. 1961, infamous for his genocidal plans as in "none of them will survive," pre-1967]. ____ "Jews Urge Arabs To Shun Bigotry..." Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES. July 18, 1930, Page 7: 'JERUSALEM, July 17.--Deep emotional feeling marked the Jewish representatives' final addresses before the League of Nations Wailing Wall commission today. In stirring terms the Jews appealed to the Moslems not to be influenced by religious bigotry but to seek a settlement of the present dispute as generously as possible.' ____ "Haj Amin el‐Husseini Dies; Ex‐Palestine Grand Mufti," The New York Times, July 5, 1974: 'In 1952 the Mufti explained ... This land, he pointed out, had belonged to the non‐Jewish peoples of Palestine ...' ____ Hamas senior jihadist in his interview to Sky News on May 24, 2021 openly said, the Jews don't "belong" there, as it is all Arab Muslim land: '“You are not a citizen. We are the owner of this area – Arabic area. This is well known as an Islamic area.”…'
jefftk 5y ago
Doesn't look deleted to me? http://kamaubobb.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-i-were-jew.html http://kamaubobb.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-i-were-jew.html
- koheripbal 5y ago
  Looks like he migrated to his own domain and has not deleted his blogspot account like he did the blog on his domain.
mooseburger 5y ago
Interesting. I wasn't sure about blacks' position relative to jews on the oppression stack. I guess jews are actually above them (i.e. blacks cannot criticize jews the way they can whites)? Was this always the case? As I recall, Louis Farrakhan gets away with worse.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  Louis Farrakhan can't be cancelled. He doesn't work for a corporation that can fire him, and he doesn't rely on the media to spread his message.
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- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  It's not a competition to get to the bottom of the oppression ladder, i can imagine nothing more dystopian then a chart ranking minorities with an "opression" score or something.
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dougmwne 5y ago

Thank you. Everyone on this thread should read the original words instead of the pull quotes. I am a staunch progressive and am afraid to make my own comment on his words. We are living through a strange political moment.

kache_ 5y ago
My whole twitter account is 100% only recruiter bait. I cycle my reddit nicks every 2 months or so. I've cleaned out everything that I've posted as a teenager (even though I am a sensible person) Not taking any chances. Saw the writing on the wall with Damore. I should probably axe this nick but I've grown fond of its upvotes. So whatever :P Always assume you've been dox'd.
- dougmwne 5y ago
  Once we get reliable deep learning recognition of writing styles we are well and truly fucked.
  - kazinator 5y ago
    At least momentarily, until we get deep-learning-driven permutation of writing style.

13415 5y ago

Thanks for linking that. It puts the issue in perspective. To be honest, I'm amazed that a blog post like that can make someone lose his job as a "head of diversity." Apparently, diversity at Google means that people should never voice critical opinions about the Israeli government, not even privately. For me, the lesson to learn from this is that to never apply for a job in the US or for a job for a large US company. That's easy for me to say, though, since I'm working as a philosopher in academia and these are not wanted or needed in corporations anyway.

foolfoolz 5y ago
this isn’t just criticizing israel. this is criticizing all jewish people as being war hawking hypocrites unable to remember history who don’t care about anyone but themselves. it’s clearly antisemitic. and if he wanted to make this about israel it should have been phrased “if i were an israeli” which still isn’t accurate cause not everyone in israel suppported this maybe the lesson is if you are going to make sweeping, negative, generalizations about a population you are probably going to look like an idiot. and especially if you feel the need to publish them to the world
- 13415 5y ago
  While I wouldn't put it the same way he did, calling this "clearly antisemitic" goes way over board and is in my point of view unacceptable. Besides, albeit regrettable, it is common for Israelis to mix up their religion with political matters, too. The kind of ferocity with which people reject other people's opinions and evaluate them to the highest possible moral standards once they disagree with them is a special kind of modern savagery. We're talking about a blog post this guy wrote ten years ago as a private person. Maybe he even changed his opinion or regrets the way he phrased it then?

foolfoolz 5y ago

still not fired from google. if this post was “if i were black” and anyone not black wrote it they would be fired

droopyEyelids 5y ago
If I understand what you're saying, you're setting aside the context that [the state of Israel exists and has a controversial military doctrine], and reading the Google guy's post as specifically targeted at people who share the Jewish faith?
- foolfoolz 5y ago
  if i understand what you’re saying, your setting aside the direct text from the article which targeted the jewish people and reading the google guys post as specifically being about israel?
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  Would you accept blanket statements about black people being violent war-craving psychopaths if the context is the Ugandan expulsion of Asians?
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  The fact that he ends the essay with "If I were a Jew..." and not "If I were an Israeli..." makes it pretty clear to me which group he is referring to. Especially considering the author's other comments praising bigots like Louis Farrakhan
  - Charlieza 5y ago
    Though not every anti-Israeli is anti-Jewish, fact is, most ardent ones are anti-Jewish. BTW. Anti-Jewish bigotry [ethnic Arab racism and/or religious Islamic intolerance] by Arab Muslim Goliath middle east against the 'other'... is the root cause of "conflict" at least since the Ottomans banned the FALASTIN periofical for racism in 1914. Then the hate mongering by ex Mufti al-Husseini (invertor of the cry 'itbakh al-Yahud' and years later the: 'Kill the J..s wherever they are") in the 1920s pogroms --especially against non-Zionist pious Jews, as in 1921 and 1929-- through his and Ahmad Shukeiri aiding Hitler in WW2. [Yes, that Shukairy who justified the Holocaust in 1946; in 1956 still said Palestine is nothing but southern Syria, first PLO chairman; has invented the apartheid slander in oct. 1961, infamous for his genocidal plans as in "none of them will survive," pre-1967]. ____ "Jews Urge Arabs To Shun Bigotry..." Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES. July 18, 1930, Page 7: 'JERUSALEM, July 17.--Deep emotional feeling marked the Jewish representatives' final addresses before the League of Nations Wailing Wall commission today. In stirring terms the Jews appealed to the Moslems not to be influenced by religious bigotry but to seek a settlement of the present dispute as generously as possible.' ____ "Haj Amin el‐Husseini Dies; Ex‐Palestine Grand Mufti," The New York Times, July 5, 1974: 'In 1952 the Mufti explained ... This land, he pointed out, had belonged to the non‐Jewish peoples of Palestine ...' ____ Hamas senior jihadist in his interview to Sky News on May 24, 2021 openly said, the Jews don't "belong" there, as it is all Arab Muslim land: '“You are not a citizen. We are the owner of this area – Arabic area. This is well known as an Islamic area.”…'

jefftk 5y ago

Doesn't look deleted to me? http://kamaubobb.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-i-were-jew.html http://kamaubobb.blogspot.com/2007/11/if-i-were-jew.html

koheripbal 5y ago
Looks like he migrated to his own domain and has not deleted his blogspot account like he did the blog on his domain.

mooseburger 5y ago

Interesting. I wasn't sure about blacks' position relative to jews on the oppression stack. I guess jews are actually above them (i.e. blacks cannot criticize jews the way they can whites)? Was this always the case? As I recall, Louis Farrakhan gets away with worse.

jaywalk 5y ago
Louis Farrakhan can't be cancelled. He doesn't work for a corporation that can fire him, and he doesn't rely on the media to spread his message.
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FridayoLeary 5y ago
It's not a competition to get to the bottom of the oppression ladder, i can imagine nothing more dystopian then a chart ranking minorities with an "opression" score or something.
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