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That is, of course, true. However part of the problem is that zionists within the state of Israel work really hard to blur this distinction. You can see for e

That is, of course, true. However part of the problem is that zionists within the state of Israel work really hard to blur this distinction. You can see for example arguments being made in that sense in this debate here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VTt_THL4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1VTt_THL4A Or the French parliament deciding that anti-Zionism is antisemitism: https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/french-parliament-decides-anti-zionism-is-antisemitism-609764 https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/french-parliamen... Even within Israel there are of course fringe groups (e.g. Naturei Karta) and such, but unfortunately, the reality is that while it wouldn't suit most Jews for Judaism to be conflated with Zionism, it suits most zionists, so they try to further that notion. Edit: To be clear I'm addressing the Judaism x Zionism aspect of this comment thread, not the blog post in the topic post.

yonixw 5y ago
Another part of the problem is when the criticizers forget that Zionism got a huge boost after pogroms on Jewish communities across Europe. So, by criticising Zionism in a middle of a self defense operation in Gaza (as they see it), you look like you don't know its roots and look like they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense.
- duped 5y ago
  No one is forgetting the Holocaust or historic pogroms on Jews in Europe when they criticize Israeli military actions or forced displacement.
  - vxNsr 5y ago
    Speaking with these people on clubhouse recently, I can say they absolutely believe 1) Hitler was right, but (contradictorily) 2) The Holocaust/Progroms were exaggerated, and finally 3) there was never any instances of strife in the region before the forming of the state (and if there was it was always the Irgun and nobody else ever). I’m not saying all people who criticize Israel believe the above but many of the people in “The Balance” room who criticized Israel appeared to.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  > However part of the problem is that zionists within the state of Israel work really hard to blur this distinction. > So, by criticising Zionism in a middle of a self defense operation in Gaza (as they see it), you look like you don't know its roots and look like they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense. Yes, this is an excellent example of exactly that sort of blurring that GP was talking about, thanks.
- lalaland1125 5y ago
  > they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense What do the military actions of the state of Israel have to do with the "Jewish" right to self defense? Many Jews don't live in Israel and Israel contains many non-Jews.
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yonixw 5y ago

Another part of the problem is when the criticizers forget that Zionism got a huge boost after pogroms on Jewish communities across Europe. So, by criticising Zionism in a middle of a self defense operation in Gaza (as they see it), you look like you don't know its roots and look like they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense.

duped 5y ago
No one is forgetting the Holocaust or historic pogroms on Jews in Europe when they criticize Israeli military actions or forced displacement.
- vxNsr 5y ago
  Speaking with these people on clubhouse recently, I can say they absolutely believe 1) Hitler was right, but (contradictorily) 2) The Holocaust/Progroms were exaggerated, and finally 3) there was never any instances of strife in the region before the forming of the state (and if there was it was always the Irgun and nobody else ever). I’m not saying all people who criticize Israel believe the above but many of the people in “The Balance” room who criticized Israel appeared to.
whimsicalism 5y ago
> However part of the problem is that zionists within the state of Israel work really hard to blur this distinction. > So, by criticising Zionism in a middle of a self defense operation in Gaza (as they see it), you look like you don't know its roots and look like they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense. Yes, this is an excellent example of exactly that sort of blurring that GP was talking about, thanks.
lalaland1125 5y ago
> they ignoring the Jewish right for self defense What do the military actions of the state of Israel have to do with the "Jewish" right to self defense? Many Jews don't live in Israel and Israel contains many non-Jews.

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