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Probably lack of resources. Opera has allways been one of the nicest browsers, at one point in time even the only sane IE alternative, but never got the market

Probably lack of resources. Opera has allways been one of the nicest browsers, at one point in time even the only sane IE alternative, but never got the market share it deserves, except on the dombphones as Opera Mini.

duiker101 15y ago
true, but as far as i know Opera is the browser that cares the most about standards, so i do not understand why G+ should be incompatible. Also i think that i should be able to choose if i want to navigate anyway, even if the website is incompatible.
Indyan 15y ago
Lack of resources is a answer I am willing to accept from say Grooveshark. But, when Google and Facebook offer that same excuse, its a lot harder to digest. Also, once you realize that Opera supports most Google products without any special optimization, that fallacy of that logic becomes apparent. Remember that Google optimized Google Instant for the listed browsers, but it didn't for Opera. Yet, Google Instant worked in Opera right from the beginning, as long as you masked your useragent as Firefox. Yes, changing the useragent fixed the incompatibility problem! Same thing is happening with G+. Mask as Firefox and the notification and share options that are normally not available in the Google bar in Opera because visible. Browser sniffing sucks. Its time that Google followed what it preached and developed websites that follow the spirit of "Open Web". Related Reading Material: http://techie-buzz.com/browsers/google-instant-opera.html http://techie-buzz.com/browsers/google-instant-opera.html http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/2009/11/05/the-lengths-to-go-to-to-get-a-site-fixed http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/2009/11/05/the-lengths-to-go-t... http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/ http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/ http://my.opera.com/core/blog/show.dml/3130540 http://my.opera.com/core/blog/show.dml/3130540
- campnic 15y ago
  I really don't understand this perspective. Google has lots of resources. Google has lots of projects. A particular team may not have more or less resources then Grooveshark. There is no 'fallacy of logic'. You build the broadest support you can with the resources you have. I don't think their lack of support of Opera for a beta project suggests anything about their support of Opera besides they consider it a lower priority then the four browsers listed. Its not a personal affront. They just don't have unlimited people. Would you be surprised to learn they don't yet support text based browsing using lynx? I wouldn't.
  - Wilya 15y ago
    If I am using lynx, chances are high that I know some things are not going to work anyway. I don't need google to tell me this. And in many cases (not for Google+, I think they rely too much on js.), some things will work. Plus, there is a middle ground between blacklisting lynx and blacklisting cutting-edge or almost cutting-edge browsers.
  - Indyan 15y ago
    If this was just happening with Google+ then your point of view would have been understandable. But, this has happened in the past with Google Search, Google Docs, Picasa and pretty much every Google product. In each of those cases masking Opera as Fx solved the problem, but Google took months to officially solve the issue, if they at all did.
XP1 15y ago
> Probably lack of resources. WHAT! If you look at the JavaScript source code, you will see that Google is checking for the presence of Opera and then using that information to make it work in Opera. The problem is the server-side browser sniffing that nullifies ALL THE THINGS.

duiker101 15y ago

true, but as far as i know Opera is the browser that cares the most about standards, so i do not understand why G+ should be incompatible. Also i think that i should be able to choose if i want to navigate anyway, even if the website is incompatible.

Indyan 15y ago

Lack of resources is a answer I am willing to accept from say Grooveshark. But, when Google and Facebook offer that same excuse, its a lot harder to digest. Also, once you realize that Opera supports most Google products without any special optimization, that fallacy of that logic becomes apparent. Remember that Google optimized Google Instant for the listed browsers, but it didn't for Opera. Yet, Google Instant worked in Opera right from the beginning, as long as you masked your useragent as Firefox. Yes, changing the useragent fixed the incompatibility problem! Same thing is happening with G+. Mask as Firefox and the notification and share options that are normally not available in the Google bar in Opera because visible. Browser sniffing sucks. Its time that Google followed what it preached and developed websites that follow the spirit of "Open Web". Related Reading Material: http://techie-buzz.com/browsers/google-instant-opera.html http://techie-buzz.com/browsers/google-instant-opera.html http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/2009/11/05/the-lengths-to-go-to-to-get-a-site-fixed http://my.opera.com/ODIN/blog/2009/11/05/the-lengths-to-go-t... http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/ http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/ http://my.opera.com/core/blog/show.dml/3130540 http://my.opera.com/core/blog/show.dml/3130540

campnic 15y ago
I really don't understand this perspective. Google has lots of resources. Google has lots of projects. A particular team may not have more or less resources then Grooveshark. There is no 'fallacy of logic'. You build the broadest support you can with the resources you have. I don't think their lack of support of Opera for a beta project suggests anything about their support of Opera besides they consider it a lower priority then the four browsers listed. Its not a personal affront. They just don't have unlimited people. Would you be surprised to learn they don't yet support text based browsing using lynx? I wouldn't.
- Wilya 15y ago
  If I am using lynx, chances are high that I know some things are not going to work anyway. I don't need google to tell me this. And in many cases (not for Google+, I think they rely too much on js.), some things will work. Plus, there is a middle ground between blacklisting lynx and blacklisting cutting-edge or almost cutting-edge browsers.
- Indyan 15y ago
  If this was just happening with Google+ then your point of view would have been understandable. But, this has happened in the past with Google Search, Google Docs, Picasa and pretty much every Google product. In each of those cases masking Opera as Fx solved the problem, but Google took months to officially solve the issue, if they at all did.

XP1 15y ago

> Probably lack of resources. WHAT! If you look at the JavaScript source code, you will see that Google is checking for the presence of Opera and then using that information to make it work in Opera. The problem is the server-side browser sniffing that nullifies ALL THE THINGS.