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It's definitely not. I'm certain I can install and use tools like git on a fresh GNU/Linux install. I can't say the same about Android.

by swiley 5y ago

pjmlp 5y ago
That is completly unrelated to security. But just to tease your goal post move action, 99.9% of people using Android don't care about using git on their phones, and even if they would. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aor.pocketgit&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aor.pocket...
- swiley 5y ago
  If you only bother with what software people care about why allow installing code outside of the browser? That would much more effectively eliminate security vulnerabilities.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Indeed, https://www.google.com/chromebook/chrome-os/ https://www.google.com/chromebook/chrome-os/
    - swiley 5y ago
      Ok, well now I can't do most of the stuff I was doing on GNU/Linux without doing it on a machine that someone else is hosting. So that's still a step backward.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui&hl... Want a GNU/Linux phone? Buy Openmoko, or any other commercial failures that followed them.
        swiley 5y ago
        Is that an admission that it makes sense?
        pjmlp 5y ago
        No and is completly irrelevant for the subject of security being discussed.
        swiley 5y ago
        It's relevant because when I go to use git on android and iOS I go hunting through the play store and download some closed source wrapper around it, often with libraries that the developer pulled in that they don't fully understand the behavior of. By dramatically raising the cost of software maintenance (by decreasing interoperability and because of the heavy API churn) these systems make community maintained software rare which forces users to turn to organizations that are unwilling (and sometimes unable) to share information with their users. The resulting security situation is dire.

It's definitely not. I'm certain I can install and use tools like git on a fresh GNU/Linux install. I can't say the same about Android.

by swiley 5y ago

It's definitely not. I'm certain I can install and use tools like git on a fresh GNU/Linux install. I can't say the same about Android.

pjmlp 5y ago

That is completly unrelated to security. But just to tease your goal post move action, 99.9% of people using Android don't care about using git on their phones, and even if they would. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aor.pocketgit&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aor.pocket...

swiley 5y ago
If you only bother with what software people care about why allow installing code outside of the browser? That would much more effectively eliminate security vulnerabilities.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Indeed, https://www.google.com/chromebook/chrome-os/ https://www.google.com/chromebook/chrome-os/
  - swiley 5y ago
    Ok, well now I can't do most of the stuff I was doing on GNU/Linux without doing it on a machine that someone else is hosting. So that's still a step backward.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui&hl=en&gl=US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui&hl... Want a GNU/Linux phone? Buy Openmoko, or any other commercial failures that followed them.
      - swiley 5y ago
        Is that an admission that it makes sense?
        pjmlp 5y ago
        No and is completly irrelevant for the subject of security being discussed.
        swiley 5y ago
        It's relevant because when I go to use git on android and iOS I go hunting through the play store and download some closed source wrapper around it, often with libraries that the developer pulled in that they don't fully understand the behavior of. By dramatically raising the cost of software maintenance (by decreasing interoperability and because of the heavy API churn) these systems make community maintained software rare which forces users to turn to organizations that are unwilling (and sometimes unable) to share information with their users. The resulting security situation is dire.